~ Tracking Bipolar II swings ~

Posted by Barb @amberpep, Oct 2, 2016

Hi all .... well, I finally decided to make up a chart for myself to see how often and rapidly my mood swings happen. I've made it up and I'll start tomorrow. I've got room for morning, noon, and night because they can all be different .... it's crazy-making! My "up" time, for me, is very high anxiety rather than a manic state. Once the Klonopin kicks in, it settles it. My "up" also can be what other people's "normal" would be. The few times I have felt I was a bit manic was usually medication induced, and that's when I went shopping on-line ..... thus the CC bills I am now paying off. I hope this makes sense to you all. The depression is a whole other story ...... that digs in deeply. That's when I want to avoid anything and anyone, don't answer the door, phone, or even get out of the chair. So, we'll see what the chart shows, although I think I know already. It's pretty much the same pattern every day. I have done a good bit of writing, I call them "musings" ever since I started this journey 15 - 20 years ago, and I found myself needing to write one today. They're nothing profound, just thoughts coming from my inner soul. I enjoy it, and please don't think I'm sounding snobby here, but when I look back and read them, I'm rather amazed at the way I've expressed myself. You just never know what little treasures may be dug up while we all walk through these "troubled waters."
abby

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Hi everyone, well I'm new to this site & Bipolar altogether. I've worked around a mixture of consumers with mental illness & although I believe I've always had little symptoms of bipolar I just ignored them. Well long story short, in the last few months my systems have become very profound. I've become more depressed then usual, very very irritated with work, life, just everything. I stay up for hours @ night, sometimes not even sleeping because I'm planning or goal setting witch is not normal for me. My eye twitches all the time, & over the past couple of years I've distanced myself from family & friends & no longer have the pleasure of doing things I loved to do like gym 2-3xs a week & doing fun things with my children/family. I've recently made me a Doc appointment with a highly recommended psychiatrist, but with me being a new patient my appointment isn't until March 13th. my biggest fear is not knowing how I will respond to medication if I am indeed Bipolar & my second fear is weight gain because im already struggling with my weight already. Any advice anyone?

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No i just dont have the drive, push, potivation or will to go. I wouls really love to go, bc I know how good i use to feel in the pass. I just gave up on it

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Hi Crystal!
I am Cathy and 62. Was treated for depression for years and then had my first manic episode and hospitalization July 2015. One thing that worries me with your long wait til March is that your symptoms may continue to get worse. For myself I know i exacerbated my mania by not sleeping...maybe 8 hours a week instead of a night for over a month! It was my daughter who helped me see i needed to be in the hospital; by then i was talking nonstop,hypersexual, and kind of causing trouble everywhere.

I also recently took part in a study that emphasizes how important routine is: go to bed, get up same time every day, meals, exercise, etc. The structure helps our brains. So i think making sure you sleep is of utmost importance. Can you try to see another pdoc to "tide you over" or see if your pcp can help? Also try to get a support group in place for you, just a few family members or friends that you trust.

As far as meds go, i am allergic to Depakoate and lamictal. Lithium was affecting my thyrhoid and kidneys. Abilify worked great at least while i was still manic, even lost weight on it, but then i lost insurance and medicaid wouldn't pay for it. Now i am on seroquel, fluoxetine, and buproprion. And i have to say i am gaining weight. Aargh! I had lapband surgery 7 years ago and lost 160 pounds. I don't want to gain ir back!!!! And i am also one who can't seem to get off the couch, let alone to the gymn.

Meds act so differently with different people, you may have to put up with a lot of trial and error, or maybe you will be lucky and get it right right away. I sure hope so!

There is a group called Depressive Bipolar Support Alliance (dbsa.org) that offers a tremendous range of resources: including online and in person support groups as well as educational info.

I wish you the best and please let us know how you're doing, Crystal!
Cathy

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Thank you & I will luv. Yes i hate i haft to wait so long, & im hoping i dont go off on anyone before march gets here. Ugh

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Hi all ... I have not been around too much, Christmas is not my best time of year. I was diagnosed with Bipolar II which I understand is a milder form of Bipolar I. I never feel manic ..... normal or feeling OK is the best it gets. I am generally always somewhere on the depression scale. Is that Bipolar depression? Are they the same thing? Bipolar II and Bipolar depression?Thanking you in advance for your answers.abby

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@Mchle46 and @sincere, I may have a hard time knowing to which of you I'm writing. Excuse me if I get you confused.

I went to my pcp 13 or 14 years ago, generally feeling lousy, and told him that the symptoms I was experiencing could be depression, but it could be explained by an organic problem. He started me on Celexa, and for more than a year, I had a bunch of tests. One was a sleep study, and found that I have sleep apnea, so ever since then, I've used a CPAP machine. I also found that my gall bladder wasn't working, and had it removed. I felt better after both of these things, but within a year, I was very depressed and suicidal. I tried to overdose several times, unsuccessfully, obviously, and admitted myself to an inpatient mental health facility that only worked with suicide survivors. I learned a lot during the 3 weeks I was there, and started seeing a therapist. I tried several antidepressants, and finally found that Bupropion was the one that helped. Finding the right medication can be the pits. It takes 6 weeks to know if it will do anything, and each has side effects - I gained weight with one of them, and just as the warnings said, at 3 weeks I was Really suicidal - this was before I had been overdosing - but eventually, one worked.

At this time, I had been a minister for 34 years, and I was going through a rough patch with some people, which made me more depressed. Then came the attempts, the hospital stay, and seeing a psychiatrist, who made multiple diagnoses, major depression, anxiety disorder, PTSD, and depressive bipolar disorder. No wonder I'd had all I could take!

I eventually retired, and over the past ten+ years, I've added a couple of different meds to enhance the antidepressant. I also have chronic pain from idiopathic peripheral neuropathy, and have tried every medication available for it, and I'm taking Cymbalta and Morphine sulfate contin for the pain now. Soon, I plan to try a spinal cord stimulator implant. I hope that will reduce the pain.

In the hospital, we were told to rate our day at the evening meeting. We used a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best day of our lives. For me, 4 was a bad day with suicidal thoughts. At first, I was a 2, and I knew that I had to be at least a 4 before I went home. Since then, I've improved ever so slowly, and by now I'm 6, a level I thought I'd never achieve.

I guess what I'm saying in all this, is to begin with a good pcp who'll refer you to specialists, and continue to work with you until you get the help you need. For me, that's meant referrals to a sleep center, a neurologist, an orthopedist, a heart specialist, psychiatrist. . .Then be sure you find specialists who listen to you, take you seriously, answers your questions, and explains everything in a way you can understand. Then, be patient. Stuff like this takes a while, and can take a long time, to diagnose and treat. As a retired minister, I would add, pray. There's acknowledged physical benefit from prayer. Of course, a therapist will help you find the changes you can make, and will help you see the goodness inside you, and many other things. God bless you both as you plot your course, and receive the treatment you need.

Jim

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Hi all ... I have not been around too much, Christmas is not my best time of year. I was diagnosed with Bipolar II which I understand is a milder form of Bipolar I. I never feel manic ..... normal or feeling OK is the best it gets. I am generally always somewhere on the depression scale. Is that Bipolar depression? Are they the same thing? Bipolar II and Bipolar depression?Thanking you in advance for your answers.abby

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jmhd with the physical concerns that you are dealing with it is not unusual to feel depression. I also have heard about St, Johns Worts for depression. Your advice that you gave is really good and Especially like about meeting your own needs. Please stay in touch I would like to hear more of what is happening with you

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jmhd with the physical concerns that you are dealing with it is not unusual to feel depression. I also have heard about St, Johns Worts for depression. Your advice that you gave is really good and Especially like about meeting your own needs. Please stay in touch I would like to hear more of what is happening with you

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@safetyshield Depression predated some of my health issues, but I know that they do affect it. I took St. Johns Wort for awhile, and it didn't seem to effect any change, and it's contraindicated with a couple of my meds.

I know I need to be seeing a counselor, but there aren't any in town that accept Medicare. To have a spinal cord stimulator implant, I have to have a consult with a psychiatrist, and the one I was referred to is booked 2 months out. My doctor suggested I see a pain psychiatrist, who's the one I'll see February 14. I've hung on for this long, I guess I can make it that long.

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jmhd with the physical concerns that you are dealing with it is not unusual to feel depression. I also have heard about St, Johns Worts for depression. Your advice that you gave is really good and Especially like about meeting your own needs. Please stay in touch I would like to hear more of what is happening with you

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jimhd Keep strong and in touch

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jmhd with the physical concerns that you are dealing with it is not unusual to feel depression. I also have heard about St, Johns Worts for depression. Your advice that you gave is really good and Especially like about meeting your own needs. Please stay in touch I would like to hear more of what is happening with you

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Yeah. I don't always feel strong.

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Hi all ... I have not been around too much, Christmas is not my best time of year. I was diagnosed with Bipolar II which I understand is a milder form of Bipolar I. I never feel manic ..... normal or feeling OK is the best it gets. I am generally always somewhere on the depression scale. Is that Bipolar depression? Are they the same thing? Bipolar II and Bipolar depression?Thanking you in advance for your answers.abby

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You're an amazing person. I hope you keep ministering to people.

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jmhd with the physical concerns that you are dealing with it is not unusual to feel depression. I also have heard about St, Johns Worts for depression. Your advice that you gave is really good and Especially like about meeting your own needs. Please stay in touch I would like to hear more of what is happening with you

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I understand I have many issues now that I am going through and it takes a lot of emotional and physical draining from me as well. But as long as I do not allow the pain or problem control me and do something than I feel I am not submitting to the body but to my mind. That is what I mean by strong.

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