7% Saline Prescription and Medicare Part B payment quandry

Posted by Elle @ellen1944, Jan 28, 2023

My husband is 81, diagnosed with MAC, and has been on the 3-drug regimen for 2.5 weeks. He uses a nebulizer 2XDay with 7% saline.

Problem: Humana won't cover the saline prescription because they say it is covered under Medicare Part B. But, when filling the saline prescription the pharmacist can't get Medicare Part B to work. Our secondary (not supplemental) health insurance Blue Cross/Blue Shield says (thinks?) it needs to be coded as a durable medical, which neither CVS nor Medicap will use. (It seems to me that while the nebulizer is a durable medical; the saline is more a prescription.) In the meantime, we are paying out-of-pocket for a saline prescription the pulmonologist and all others say should be covered under Medicare Part B. Anyone else had this experience? How was it resolved? Many thanks!

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@carolinediehl

Here is what a search on Microsoft Copilot AI had to say: Yes, Medicare Part B generally covers inhalation drugs like 7% saline solution if they are prescribed by a physician and used with a nebulizer, which is considered durable medical equipment (DME). However, coverage often depends on the specific diagnosis code provided by the physician and whether the pharmacy processes the prescription correctly under Medicare Part B.

If you're facing challenges with coverage, it might help to:
1. Confirm with your doctor that the correct diagnosis code is being used.
2. Ensure the pharmacy is billing it under Medicare Part B, not Part D.
3. Consider reaching out to Medicare or your secondary insurance for clarification.

The correct diagnosis code for ordering a 7% saline solution for use with a nebulizer depends on the underlying medical condition being treated. Common conditions that might require this treatment include **cystic fibrosis**, **bronchiectasis**, or **chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)**. Each condition has its own ICD-10 diagnosis code, such as:

- **E84.0** for cystic fibrosis with pulmonary manifestations.
- **J47.9** for bronchiectasis, unspecified.
- **J44.9** for COPD, unspecified.

It's essential to consult with the prescribing physician to ensure the diagnosis code aligns with the patient's specific medical condition and treatment plan. If you're dealing with insurance coverage, the physician or pharmacist might also need to verify the code with the insurer.

Hope this is helpful.

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Very helpful. Been working through all of this as you have laid out. Good to know I’m not crazy but just need to persist. Get through to someone who isn’t just gaslighting? It is what it feels like even if it is something more benign. THANK YOU 🙏🏽

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@stcolman2023

I use 7% saline when I nebulizer and hate all the plastic bottles it comes in, so I bought a bottle of pharmaceutical grade sodium chloride and distilled water and make my own solution and store in glass bottle. 100 ml water with 7 1 gram tablets makes 7%. I like having control over this little part of my health.

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Distilled water is NOT sterile! It must be boiled for ten minutes and then one minute for each 1000 feet of elevation! Then you need to worry about contamination of any jar or container you put it in.

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@sueinmn

I always appreciate the less-plastics approach and applaud your determination to do your part. I make my own yougurt and store it in glass jars for the same reason. My daughter reuses the gallon jugs to start all her seeds in winter.

A few questions I can think of -
Do you sterilize the bottle and the distilled water? Depending on bottling/handling methods, Dr Joe Falkinham and his students have found that distilled water is not always sterile.
Where do you store the homemade solution, and for how long? My daughters (RN's) taught me - open sterile containers at room temperature are to be discarded after 24 hours, refrigerated after 72 hours. Knowing that bacteria don't reproduce well in 7% saline, I personally would fell safe storing in the refrigerator for up to 7 days.

And a caution - be sure when pouring the sterile water into the nebulizer not to touch the lip of the bottle with fingers.

If I need to return to daily 7% saline nebs, I will definitely consider this!

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I would. There is such an opportunity for cross contamination in the distilled water and its storage.

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@sherrig

I have never been able to get mine covered. The pharmacy attached to the BE Center of Excellence I use told me that Medicare does not cover this unless prescribed for a medication that is to be mixed with it. Normally one does not mix albuterol and 7% saline. I use GoodRX and get a 30 day supply for about $10.00.

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I have ALWAYS mixed my albuterol with my saline. I am so old that it was never administered any other way back in the day! Helps to cut the coughing and throat irritation from the 7% saline also. I fully recommend doing this! And yes, I have to use my Good RX card to get a discount.

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@kenj29

The issues of Medicare coverage of levalbuterol and saline drive me nuts. Medicare is very unhelpful. On saline, I gave up and ordered 7% saline form amazon, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BNNV3JW6?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title. I see no reason why it shouldn't be just as good.

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Is it medical grade and sterile?

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@carolinediehl

Here is what a search on Microsoft Copilot AI had to say: Yes, Medicare Part B generally covers inhalation drugs like 7% saline solution if they are prescribed by a physician and used with a nebulizer, which is considered durable medical equipment (DME). However, coverage often depends on the specific diagnosis code provided by the physician and whether the pharmacy processes the prescription correctly under Medicare Part B.

If you're facing challenges with coverage, it might help to:
1. Confirm with your doctor that the correct diagnosis code is being used.
2. Ensure the pharmacy is billing it under Medicare Part B, not Part D.
3. Consider reaching out to Medicare or your secondary insurance for clarification.

The correct diagnosis code for ordering a 7% saline solution for use with a nebulizer depends on the underlying medical condition being treated. Common conditions that might require this treatment include **cystic fibrosis**, **bronchiectasis**, or **chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)**. Each condition has its own ICD-10 diagnosis code, such as:

- **E84.0** for cystic fibrosis with pulmonary manifestations.
- **J47.9** for bronchiectasis, unspecified.
- **J44.9** for COPD, unspecified.

It's essential to consult with the prescribing physician to ensure the diagnosis code aligns with the patient's specific medical condition and treatment plan. If you're dealing with insurance coverage, the physician or pharmacist might also need to verify the code with the insurer.

Hope this is helpful.

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Did not work. Never has.

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@stcolman2023

I use 7% saline when I nebulizer and hate all the plastic bottles it comes in, so I bought a bottle of pharmaceutical grade sodium chloride and distilled water and make my own solution and store in glass bottle. 100 ml water with 7 1 gram tablets makes 7%. I like having control over this little part of my health.

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Distilled water is NOT sterile!

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@beejenigma

Is it medical grade and sterile?

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According to the box, it is sterile and a “Class IIa medical device.”

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I put distilled water through my LifeStraw pitcher before using it.

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@beejenigma

Distilled water is NOT sterile!

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Thank you. I boil everything.

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