Metabolic therapy for cancer

Posted by birdman518 @birdman518, Jun 20, 2023

I have several posts here about my newly-diagnosed metastatic melanoma, but I wanted this to be a new thread.
I was looking for alternative therapies for cancer, and I was afraid that most of them would seem, well, a little kooky (sorry, but that's what I thought).
I found one, however, that seems to be both outside the mainstream standard-of-care, but yet very well represented in the scientific literature, including at least one Nobel Prize (Warburg), and that is the metabolic theory of cancer. It seems as though its primary promoter is Dr Thomas Seyfried of Boston College. He is a professor of biology, genetics, and biochemistry at Boston College.
He has many books, articles, and videos online, so it is easy to learn about this theory.
I cannot go into it in detail, but its premise is that cancer is a metabolic disease, and not a genetic one. Please take the time to look at the details before shooting me. 🙂

My only question here is whether anyone else has looked into this, and what do you make of it? Did you ever ask your oncologist about it?

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Cancer Support Group.

@beebe

If you are offered Metformin you may want to take it as it has been shown to help fight cancer cells. It might be worth a discussion with your oncologist.

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@beebe
Right now, I am trying to reduce my blood glucose through exercise. I bike for one hour each day at the gym and walk/jog five miles indoors at home. It seems to be helping. My A1C is dropping if I stay on the strict 20-gram carbohydrate diet. If I eat more carbs, my glucose increases and stays elevated. Ugh. I have a Precision Extra test kit and strips to check my blood glucose and ketones. I also occasionally wear a continuous glucometer.

The natural supplement Berberine is supposed to help reduce glucose, so I decided to try it. I may try Metformin in the future.

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@janet23

@beebe
Right now, I am trying to reduce my blood glucose through exercise. I bike for one hour each day at the gym and walk/jog five miles indoors at home. It seems to be helping. My A1C is dropping if I stay on the strict 20-gram carbohydrate diet. If I eat more carbs, my glucose increases and stays elevated. Ugh. I have a Precision Extra test kit and strips to check my blood glucose and ketones. I also occasionally wear a continuous glucometer.

The natural supplement Berberine is supposed to help reduce glucose, so I decided to try it. I may try Metformin in the future.

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Which of those tracking methods can be purchased over the counter?

Thank
Denise

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@janet23

Cancer cells rely on glucose and glutamate for fuel. Research has shown that restricting your intake of carbohydrates can kill cancer cells. The 20-gram keto diet is severely limited in carbohydrates. The diet has been used safely to treat cancer, epilepsy, diabetes, and other metabolic disorders under the care of a health practitioner.

My keto diet consists of 20 grams of net carbs, 50 grams of protein, and the rest of the calories as fat. I use olive oil, nuts, and MCT oil to balance my fat intake. I grow organic vegetables indoors, hydroponically in the winter, and outside in the summer. I eat cancer fighting foods recommended in Dr William Li ‘s books.

I am also trying a combination of therapies to fight Cancer.

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I'm learning how to do this as well. I work with a holistic doctor who recommended a metibolic syndrome diet. I try really hard to follow it most of the time, but other then periodic blood test we are not looking for ketosis.

I've read the Wahl Protocol. I haven't been able to get to the most corrective diet Dr Wahl recommends because I've lost a lot of weight. I'm 5'4" and today I weighed in a 109. Since starting this diet in July I've lost about 15 pounds. I don't feel bad. My ribs don't show through my skin, but I think I look to small and I've been accused of starving myself.

I have an app to measure macronutrients and micronutrients. I have yet to be able to get my carbohydrates under 50.

I guess I'm telling you all that because I'm interested in any advice that you have.

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@janet23

@beebe
Right now, I am trying to reduce my blood glucose through exercise. I bike for one hour each day at the gym and walk/jog five miles indoors at home. It seems to be helping. My A1C is dropping if I stay on the strict 20-gram carbohydrate diet. If I eat more carbs, my glucose increases and stays elevated. Ugh. I have a Precision Extra test kit and strips to check my blood glucose and ketones. I also occasionally wear a continuous glucometer.

The natural supplement Berberine is supposed to help reduce glucose, so I decided to try it. I may try Metformin in the future.

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Good on you for exercising, it is supposed to provide anti-cancer benefits, maybe that is due to the natural lowering of blood sugar that occurs afterwards.
How do you keep your carbs under 20? Are you eating a lot of meat?

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@beebe,
I eat one main meal each day around noon that includes 4-5 oz of chicken, turkey, cheese, or salmon for protein, 1 tbsp of olive oil, and minimal amounts of vegetables recommended in the “Eat to Beat Disease” book that fight Cancer (purple potatoes, tomato paste, lacinato kale, etc.). I also eat 1/4 cup organic milk yogurt with chia seeds and a few nuts as a snack. I would love to eat more vegetables, but they primarily contain carbohydrates.

I have gallstones and elevated cholesterol, and my doctors do not recommend a high-fat diet. My solution is to add MCT oil (medium chain triglycerides) to my diet to get enough calories. MCT oil is absorbed quickly into the blood and does not require digestive enzymes. The liver makes ketones from the MCTs, which most cells in the body can use as an energy source. MCT oil is clear and does not have a flavor. I swallow 1-3 tbsp a day, spread out throughout the day. It is a popular energy source for athletes. The brand I like is Nature’s Way Organic MCT Oil. If you try it, start with a small amount because it can cause loose stools. It is very safe and has been used in hospitals for years.

I need to maintain my current weight, so I incorporate MCT oil into my diet.

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@denisestlouie

Which of those tracking methods can be purchased over the counter?

Thank
Denise

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Testing Glucose and Ketones at Home:
Precision Extra and Keto Mojo are examples of testing devices that can be purchased on Amazon or pharmacies without a prescription. The test strips are expensive. The Keto Mojo is a newer device that tests both glucose and ketones.

CGMs (continuous glucose monitors) require a prescription. Freestyle Libre and Dexcom are popular. A sensor is applied to your arm, and the app on your phone continuously displays your glucose level but not your ketones.

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@janet23

Testing Glucose and Ketones at Home:
Precision Extra and Keto Mojo are examples of testing devices that can be purchased on Amazon or pharmacies without a prescription. The test strips are expensive. The Keto Mojo is a newer device that tests both glucose and ketones.

CGMs (continuous glucose monitors) require a prescription. Freestyle Libre and Dexcom are popular. A sensor is applied to your arm, and the app on your phone continuously displays your glucose level but not your ketones.

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I found precision extra and it's sitting in the cart.
Do you think keto mojo would be a more complete testing kit?

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@beebe

Good on you for exercising, it is supposed to provide anti-cancer benefits, maybe that is due to the natural lowering of blood sugar that occurs afterwards.
How do you keep your carbs under 20? Are you eating a lot of meat?

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The glucose regulating is one thing, but our immune system also resides in muscle

It's crazy how important muscle is not just for strength but for overall health

Be sure to include strength training

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@denisetlouie,
I was reading more about Keto Mojo, which now has poor Amazon reviews. I do not recommend it.

I have used my Precision Xtra for 6 years, and it is reliable and matches lab-drawn values. I replace the battery occasionally, and I buy glucose and ketone test strips on Amazon (photo attached). Abbott and YouTube have videos available to watch, and Abbott has an excellent customer support number.

A very low-carbohydrate diet is deficient in vitamins and minerals. Ask your doctor to test for vitamin and mineral deficiencies. The Carb Genius app will show you the vitamins and minerals your diet generally lacks, but Cancer patients have unique needs. I supplement my diet with half a multivitamin and minerals, calcium, Vitamin D, zinc, and magnesium.

Another great Cancer resource is Cancer Care, written by Dr. Paul Marik, MD. The 200-page document is well-referenced. You can download it from the Internet He updates the online document regularly with new research. It is always wise to discuss recommendations with your doctor to see if they are appropriate for you.

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@janet23

@denisetlouie,
I was reading more about Keto Mojo, which now has poor Amazon reviews. I do not recommend it.

I have used my Precision Xtra for 6 years, and it is reliable and matches lab-drawn values. I replace the battery occasionally, and I buy glucose and ketone test strips on Amazon (photo attached). Abbott and YouTube have videos available to watch, and Abbott has an excellent customer support number.

A very low-carbohydrate diet is deficient in vitamins and minerals. Ask your doctor to test for vitamin and mineral deficiencies. The Carb Genius app will show you the vitamins and minerals your diet generally lacks, but Cancer patients have unique needs. I supplement my diet with half a multivitamin and minerals, calcium, Vitamin D, zinc, and magnesium.

Another great Cancer resource is Cancer Care, written by Dr. Paul Marik, MD. The 200-page document is well-referenced. You can download it from the Internet He updates the online document regularly with new research. It is always wise to discuss recommendations with your doctor to see if they are appropriate for you.

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Thank you for all that.
Denise

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