Listen to Dr PJ McShane's Recent Talk on Airway Clearance!

Posted by becleartoday @becleartoday, Jul 10, 2024

Have you had a chance to listen to Dr PJ McShane's talk on the importance of airway clearance? I'm still reviewing it, but here are some takeaways:

MUCUS

Mucus plays a vital role in lung health. It contains mucins, which act like a sponge, absorbing water and creating a gel-like substance. This gel traps dust, germs, and toxins, protecting the airways. However, in bronchiectasis, the balance is disrupted.

The excess mucins in bronchiectasis make the mucus thicker and heavier. This overwhelms tiny hairs called cilia lining the airways. Normally, cilia act like miniature brooms, sweeping mucus upwards to be coughed out. But burdened by the dense mucus, they struggle to function effectively. This leads to mucus buildup, creating a breeding ground for infections and further inflammation.

Dr. McShane offers a reassuring message. "Scientists are working on fixing this problem based on drugs that target those receptors and target the mucin. We cannot fix that by our diet, so you're not doing anything wrong. Keep living your life. And stay tuned because science is moving forward."

THE IMPACT OF DRINKING WATER AND DAIRY ON MUCUS

"With bronchiectasis mucus becomes heavy and weighs down the epithelial cells and the cilia. So now the mucus becomes stagnant.. Don't go rushing to your refrigerator and grab a bottle of water and start drinking.

I want you to understand that if this is nothing that you're doing wrong and you can't fix this by drinking your water. In fact, if you do drink more water, you're going to lower your sodium in your blood and then you're going to have symptoms and have to go to the ER and it's going to be a nightmare. So, just drink if you're thirsty. You can't fix these abnormal abnormalities in your mucus by your diet.

Many of my patients will say that (they) shouldn't have dairy products because it increases the mucus. And I'm not sure that's 100% scientifically based. I would rather my patients, get the dairy, get the protein, get the calcium from the dairy in their diet, and understand that the abnormalities of their mucus are coming from something different than just what they eat in their diet."

COUGH

Why isn't a cough enough? Why do people living with bronchiectasis need to do daily airway clearance?

During a cough, air is expelled from the lungs at high speed, clearing the airways of irritants, mucus, or foreign particles. This forceful action can also bring up mucus from the lungs.

Furthermore, coughing relies on the elasticity of the airways to manage the increased pressure. But, in conditions like bronchiectasis, the airways lose their elasticity and do not respond normally to the pressures exerted during a cough.

According to Dr. PJ McShane, "This is why you can cough your head off to the point that you're exhausted and nothing's coming out and you don't feel like it's effective, and instead you're just getting tired. So that's where airway clearance comes in. And that's why it's so important to learn techniques you can do, other than just a simple cough."

AND THERE IS LOTS MORE!!

Enjoy,
Linda Esposito

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@lilianna

Good morning paxmundi. It’s a very very strict diet but if it works for you and you can follow it’s requirements it’s fine. Thank you for sharing and I am really happy for you that you found a way to have your illness in control. It’s not easy at all to follow such a guided schedule and you WORK. Stay healthy.

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Thank you, Lilianna. Believe me, I wish it didn't have to be so strict, and in time I may not have to be. I had made a lot of progress and then had a few regular meals over a three-week interval and the choking and bleeding started up again. THAT I don't want, so maybe in the future, once I really stabilize again (it's taking me more than two months of meticulous care to get back to the baseline I had achieved), I can occasionally treat myself. Wishing you all the best as well in your unique journey.

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@paxmundi

Sorry it took so long to reply! I work and I had deadlines I had to meet. Fell off the research wagon for a bit. Just to clear up a few things:

As far as I know I don't have MAC but a mild to moderate case of bronchiectasis and a lot of scarring from my TB history. I have never been able to produce a good sputum sample and my pulmonologist doesn't really advise a bronchoscopy. My poor little lungs have been through enough hell already. But who knows if I have it or not. He isn't worried about that.

I have often felt the urge to cough, but drinking a lot of warm water quells that cough remarkably well, seems to unplug the mucus plugs. I am now starting the day with warm water as soon as I wake up to help loosen the night's secretions before I start my day. As I said previously, I supplement with liquid trace minerals. And do take a variety of other supplements.

The soup-based diet is part of that whole rationale of thinning the secretions as much as possible since I can't employ the more agressive means of airway clearance because of my history of massive hemoptysis. BUT my soups DO include veggies. I steam a variety of veggies (I rotate the variety constantly) and puree them in a Vitamix blender and have those in the fridge for a day or two of soups. In my soups I put some of the puree, hight-quality chicken bone broth, 1/2 a cup of some whole grain like quinoa or millet or buckwheat groats and either a half a cup of lentils of various kinds, sometimes also pureed, or else a slab of high-protein tofu. When the mucus load seems more manageable, which is more often in the past few days after so much trial and error, I add a piece of sprouted whole wheat toast cut up in small chunks to the soup. Never want it to be too thick so I add boiling water to it, and a tablespoon of miso usually, and grate some ginger in there and a dash of lemon to help with the mucus as well. I also often put in a tablespoon of nutritional yeast, which is high in protein and b vitamins. Also seaweed flakes sometimes. I eat three bowls of this a day, so my entire life has changed in the past year in terms of what I can eat. I also put four tablespoons of organic avocado oil and/or virgin olive oil (from Costco) in every bowl of soup I eat for the fat. I eat a small salad a few times a week with only oil and lemon as dressing.

I have to abide by this very Spartan regimen if I want to avoid small bleeds and being up several times a night with the urge to cough and having to drink and drink warm water until I dislodge whatever is stuck in my airways. I had to be hospitalized twice for observation since March for bleeds that scared me b/c of my history. And then had to have IV antibiotics, and then a course of heavy antibiotic when I went home. I want to do the best I can to avoid that since it plays such havoc with the gut microbiome, so am willing to sacrifice eating all the delicious things I was once able to eat. I'm grateful that so far the price is not at all too great to be able to manage.
I can only eat a nut or too very cautiously and hardly ever now--when previously I could just grab a small fistful of walnuts or pecans, or pumpkin seeds for an added snack. I also eat berries of various kinds, and other fruits, and crunchy watery vegetables like red peppers and cucumbers, very well chewed with my warm water always by my side. I eat a small can of sardines a week, smash them into my soup over two meals, and salmon about every other week--not doing so well with it right now in terms of congestion. That I also have to put in the soup. I eat a few spoonfuls of yoghurt here and there, but not often. And when stable, I have a croissant snack with fruit and lots of warm water with it. That has helped with the weight gain, though I can't tolerate it when I have had an exacerbation.

I should add that I am 5'2" and usually have weighed around 104. I am saying that in case you think that the above diet is impossibly sparse. It is, but not too far from what works when I am my usual weight for someone of my petite frame. This last year I went down to 90 pounds because I could hardly tolerate any food at all. My lungs were really in distress. Now I weigh around 100 lbs, which is not enough, but it's the best I can do without triggering some pulmonary distress. At least I am well-nourished and all my blood tests are good. I average seventy grams of protein a day. I am working on very slowly gaining weight.

I have one good bowel movement a day.

One of the things I really liked about Dr. McShane's video is how she laid out the holistic protocol for taking care of one's airways. Really committing to doing all the things that are helpful since the end of the year has already made a difference! Now I am back to doing my morning yoga religiously and doing deep breathing with it. I looked at some of the positions in physiotherapy for B, and they are the same as some age-old yoga postures that I am familiar with but hadn't been settling into in terms of the breathing. I also take a brisk walk while doing Active Cycle of Breathing/Autogenic Drainage, and just a short session of Arobika b/c it still makes me light-headed, and some dancing too for the aerobic benefit and just b/c I love to dance. My favorite form of exercise. I don't really spit up much sputum, but I intuitively feel that I am doing a better job of keeping the secretions flowing in my airways instead of stagnating.

I just had two really good days--the first in two months where I didn't feel vigilant and fragile most moments of the day. I am hopeful about all these techniques and all the wonderful resources and tips that all the caring people on this site have so generously shared. So grateful to be here.

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A wonderful post.
Again our diets are very similar but so far I can eat whole foods but it DOES produce much sputum to clear out for a period of time after eating.

I will try the sardines in soup...never did care for them but my Mom was always preaching...eat sardines for health reasons. Also I have never been a fan of buckwheat (family would make Kasha with bow tie pasta) but will to try it again. I had not thought of putting the Quinoa and Millet in the soups...nor the avocado/olive oil directly into the soups , will try to remember to do that since I like, have and use all.

Without lots of veggies and the glasses of water elimination does become a problem however those two things greatly help with daily elimination.

I am still having to do this: " up several times a night with the urge to cough'.
I stopped drinking the water during the night to avoid acid reflux and because water causes more sputum for me.

Interesting : ' a short session of Aerobika b/c it still makes me light-headed.' I experienced light headedness also.

Yes to dancing. I believe my years of long hours of dancing helped to keep me from having shortness of breath and/or strong, overall, lungs.

Interesting, had not thought of it that way " keeping the secretions flowing in my airways instead of stagnating" I hope all that I bring up is doing just that.

Question: What liquid minerals (brand etc.) did you decide on?

With all you have to do for yourself and work, as I know others also have to do, you as well as others who have to do it all and work, deserve five gold stars.
Barbara

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