Isolated Atrial Fibrillation Episodes: Is Ablation a Good Fit?
I have atrial fibrillation. I have very isolated episodes. The last one was in the summer of 2021.
A good friend also has AF and had ablation. He mentioned that in his recent discussion with his cardiologist, the cardiologist told him that ablation was being questioned due to new scientific findings. I could not find this information anywhere in my research.
I don't want to second guess my friend's comment, but I wonder if anyone here has heard of this supposed new research?
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Thank you for the taking the time to lay this out. I will read it again and again until I digest it.
Take a look at John Mandrola online. He writes for Medscape and also on Sensible Medicine on Substack. He’s an electrophysiologist and has written a great book on Afib aimed at athletes but good for anyone who has or has had Afib episodes.
I have only had two episodes 11.5 years apart, the last one 5 years ago. Mine were both brought on by high stress. The cardiologist here agreed that if I had another episode, I could take Eliquis for 5 days afterward as a kind of pill in the pocket type of thing and not have to go on it full time (often recommended for a woman of my age: 74). I do get the sometimes triplet or octet beats and was told I have SVT (Supraventricular tachycardia) but those very short fast heartbeat runs are also sparse and my electrophysiologist isn’t concerned about them. I’ve been taking one 25 mg extended release metoprolol beta blocker and one 25 mg losartan for BP daily ever since that first Afib episode over 16 years ago. I don’t tolerate beta blockers well but the extended release form doesn’t knock me out as much and both meds are the lowest dose, albeit I can take as little as a half beta blocker as it is scored and allowable.
I’ve been following Mandrola as well as the Skeptical Cardiologist who is also online, for years. They stay up to date and are conservative physicians but also willing to change their minds on an issue if robust studies warrant it. Mandrola especially is rabid about the importance of well designed studies.
I walk my dog daily although with a wonky spine these days I use a Swedish designed Trionic Veloped all terrain rollator for additional support. It allows me to easily go a mile or more walking. I also practice chair yoga 3-4 times a week with the online program YogaVista…tons of online classes with various teachers (I like the founder, Sherry Zak’s classes the most). Very inexpensive and all classes are recorded and available 24/7. I save my favorite classes to repeat. I turn 74 in a few days and have been surprised at my body’s aging process which of course I never thought would happen to me! I was always very active but have had to adapt to less forceful activities than I did in the past. Adaptation is good though and I’m able to stay active in this manner which I can only believe is also good for my heart.
Like you, I believe that knowledge is power. Finding good, reliable knowledge can be difficult but it sounds like you stay informed via excellent resources as well.
I’m a healthy 78 year old female who has had AFib since 2016. I’m finally booked for a catheter ablation in March. I’m to be put to sleep during the procedure - four catheters - two on either side of the groin will be inserted around my heart. I’m starting to worry - wondering if I will survive it and not pass away. I know it’s silly to worry but this is part of the stress I keep putting myself through. Then there’s the worry it might not take and I don’t want to go through it a second time.The part I don’t like is it will take place in a hospital in another city an hour away - I’ve booked a patient transfer ambulance since I have to be there for 6:15 a.m. and my family can’t drive me. Bottom line - I’ll be relieved when it is over. Any encouraging thoughts? Thanks!
You could also die in your sleep tonight. Or, have done so last night. You didn't worry because it was out of your control and unpredictable. And being unconscious, you'd not have known anyway. Same, same. Stop worrying. Instead, spend some energy on gratitude that you have an EP working for you and you're in line for relief. That was my orientation. Or, worry if your affairs are not in order. Do you have a will? An executor? Those would be a far more productive spend of your time than worrying about eventualities with an exceedingly low probability...like 0.5%!! I was only worried about long-term effects, and in order to delay them or to stave them off entirely, I needed a heart spending as little time in AF as humanly possible. I am that human, and by God, I was going to have someone try to stem the tide of ectopy.
My wife and I have had to travel three times to Victoria, southern tip of Vancouver Island, to where the cath lab is at Royal Jubilee. Once for an angiogram in workups for the ablation, and then for two ablations (first one wiggled its way into the 25% failure-for-first-ablations category). We also travel every three months to see her oncologist and her rheumatologist, same area around Royal Jubilee Hospital. Now in normal sinus rhythm (NSR) for coming up to two years already, I can't begin to describe the relief and gratitude I have for the facilities and the wonderful medical staff and surgeons, and for the reduction in anxiety I now have. Also, I was highly symptomatic and felt awful in the last year that included both ablations. Truly awful. Now....amazing. I urge you to look forward to that orientation to your own eventual success.
Thank you for your positive thoughts - I just need to hear more of the same. I’m in Peterborough Ontario and lived in Victoria in the 50’s with my parents. I guess having to wait two years for the ablation because of our healthcare system - has put me on edge. You are right - we should be thankful for getting the care we need. Great to hear you are AFib free and enjoying your life. I would like to get back to travelling eventually and for my quality of life to get back to normal. Take care.
When you say you "felt awful" what exactly do you mean? What were your symptoms? Did you feel bad even when you were not having an episode or were you in persistent Afib? Thanks for explaining more.
The sensation signaling an oncoming AF episode was unmistakable, like a heart pause or a swelling around the heart. It was very transitory, maybe a full second or two, and then my heart would begin to beat erratically, and I felt the thumping through my chest wall. The sound of it kept me awake if it didn't stop by bedtime. This interferes with sleep, and the ensuing fallout is probably well understood by you. This can go on for days.
There is shortness of breath, a sense of unease, a sense of foreboding and dread because the beast has a mind of its own. Being paroxysmal, an early stage, it comes and goes seemingly for no apparent reason, and it stays for as long as it thinks it is welcome. But, it isn't a sensitive or well-bred disorder, so it ALWAYS overstays its welcome...period.
In the latter days just before my first and second ablations, still well-ensconced in the paroxysmal stage, people told me I looked grey. Nobody looks like that, and sufficiently so that others are concerned and let you know of your appearance, unless there is a distinct malady that is sapping strength and well-being.
And yes, the dread lingers and leaps into prominence at the first signals that an AF episode is just a few minutes or hours away. The feeling of tightness or swelling in the tissues surrounding the heart, maybe some belching, a bit of reflux, and then.....chaos. So, more directly, the malaise is constant, even when not in AF. It is an irregularly irregular beat that comes and goes, persists for hours, may or may not respond to medication or to a cardioversion (only my second cardioversion lasted as long as 16 hours; the others less than four hours), and that makes its presence, at least in my chest, a chaotic and lumpy sensation, almost like I have bowel gas moving right to left along the transverse colon. I could even feel it in my carotid arteries without touching those places.
I have an enlarged heart, a very fit heart, due to living at altitude in the Andes Mt. in Peru during my youth, and then for being fit while in the military, and for having been a competitive runner all my adult life. My heart, at least, is a powerful muscle that can make my whole body shake when it is beating. At full rest, when in my 30's, it beat at only 24 BPM, and that made my whole body move in rhythm to it. This doesn't happen during AF, but the sensation of its chaotic beats can be felt easily in the thorax and up into my neck. Trying to sleep like that is almost impossible.
Well said.
Thanks! But, oops...I see I have a serious typo near the end. I had meant 34 BPM, not 24. I can't edit it at this point as soon as another member reacts or posts a reply.
34 is still incredibly low! With 24 you’d probably be in hibernation. 😊