Options if MAC goes untreated

Posted by goatlady @goatlady, Feb 22, 2021

MY ID Doctor took me off the "BIG 3" last October because I wasn't able to produce any sputum (never have). Had a CT-Scan done in January showing the MAC is still and Bronchiectasis has gotten worst. My Pulmonary Doctor got in touch with ID Doctor about putting me back on the "Big 3". The ID Doctor won't, she called in a prescription of propranlol. Many years ago another doctor prescribed that for me. I had the worst reaction to that. There is no way I am going to try that drug again. So what happens if I don't treat the MAC?

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Update Report on my pulmonologist and CT results
@cwal @pacathy @lilianna @rstel7272 and anyone else who sent me good vibes - thank you!
I got a great report from my visit, but this is a bit long.
First, my new pulmonologist is awesome - I have been trying to get in to see her for almost 5 years, and finally! She is well-engaged with other pulmonologists who are expert in Bronchiectasis and NTM, including at Mayo. She is very up-to-date on the latest protocols and emerging treatments.
Second, she has assembled a team within our clinic who all work closely to keep us healthy - Respiratory Therapy, Speech Therapy, ENT, Infectious Disease and an awesome nurse.
Third, she LISTENS closely and respects my experience as a patient.

What were my results?
My CT shows stable bronchiectasis, no signs of inflammation, no mention of nodules or cavities. Yay!
We have agreed on twice weekly saline, once daily Breyna (Symbicort.) This, of course, will be increased in case of a respiratory bug or exacerbation. For daily airway clearance - her preferred method is via 30-60 minutes of exercise so I have resumed my brisk walking routine and am nearly up to one hour a day.
With the stable CT, we will forego the sputum culture for now.
We have set up a treatment protocol for exacerbations, which we already used when I had Covid - increased nebs, 5 days of steroids, and antibiotic in reserve. I have instructions to start steroids with any exacerbation and send her a message - then if not improved in the 5 days, start the antibiotic and notify her.
She diagnosed my "choking" episodes as Vocal Chord Dysfunction and I have already started speech therapy and corrective exercises. I will also see the ENT to make sure there is no trachea/vocal chord damage from years of coughing.
She was knowledgeable about Mayo Connect & NTM-ir and happy I was part of it.
For the first year, we will consult every 3 months, or more often if I have a problem.

This was followed by a visit to my cardiologist who feels the treatment for my newly-diagnosed blockage is going well, and all other tests show my heart and arteries to have no changes from earlier exams. The medications have controlled the long-time angina and shortness of breath that I thought it was "just asthma". So no invasive procedures and follow up in 6 months.

To say I feel blessed by finally making these connections is a gross understatement!

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@sueinmn

Update Report on my pulmonologist and CT results
@cwal @pacathy @lilianna @rstel7272 and anyone else who sent me good vibes - thank you!
I got a great report from my visit, but this is a bit long.
First, my new pulmonologist is awesome - I have been trying to get in to see her for almost 5 years, and finally! She is well-engaged with other pulmonologists who are expert in Bronchiectasis and NTM, including at Mayo. She is very up-to-date on the latest protocols and emerging treatments.
Second, she has assembled a team within our clinic who all work closely to keep us healthy - Respiratory Therapy, Speech Therapy, ENT, Infectious Disease and an awesome nurse.
Third, she LISTENS closely and respects my experience as a patient.

What were my results?
My CT shows stable bronchiectasis, no signs of inflammation, no mention of nodules or cavities. Yay!
We have agreed on twice weekly saline, once daily Breyna (Symbicort.) This, of course, will be increased in case of a respiratory bug or exacerbation. For daily airway clearance - her preferred method is via 30-60 minutes of exercise so I have resumed my brisk walking routine and am nearly up to one hour a day.
With the stable CT, we will forego the sputum culture for now.
We have set up a treatment protocol for exacerbations, which we already used when I had Covid - increased nebs, 5 days of steroids, and antibiotic in reserve. I have instructions to start steroids with any exacerbation and send her a message - then if not improved in the 5 days, start the antibiotic and notify her.
She diagnosed my "choking" episodes as Vocal Chord Dysfunction and I have already started speech therapy and corrective exercises. I will also see the ENT to make sure there is no trachea/vocal chord damage from years of coughing.
She was knowledgeable about Mayo Connect & NTM-ir and happy I was part of it.
For the first year, we will consult every 3 months, or more often if I have a problem.

This was followed by a visit to my cardiologist who feels the treatment for my newly-diagnosed blockage is going well, and all other tests show my heart and arteries to have no changes from earlier exams. The medications have controlled the long-time angina and shortness of breath that I thought it was "just asthma". So no invasive procedures and follow up in 6 months.

To say I feel blessed by finally making these connections is a gross understatement!

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Wonderful news. It's a good feeling to connect with a Dr with true bedside manner.
Rick

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@rstel7272

Wonderful news. It's a good feeling to connect with a Dr with true bedside manner.
Rick

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For sure! And you don't forget the ones you have to deal with that aren't that way!

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@sueinmn

Update Report on my pulmonologist and CT results
@cwal @pacathy @lilianna @rstel7272 and anyone else who sent me good vibes - thank you!
I got a great report from my visit, but this is a bit long.
First, my new pulmonologist is awesome - I have been trying to get in to see her for almost 5 years, and finally! She is well-engaged with other pulmonologists who are expert in Bronchiectasis and NTM, including at Mayo. She is very up-to-date on the latest protocols and emerging treatments.
Second, she has assembled a team within our clinic who all work closely to keep us healthy - Respiratory Therapy, Speech Therapy, ENT, Infectious Disease and an awesome nurse.
Third, she LISTENS closely and respects my experience as a patient.

What were my results?
My CT shows stable bronchiectasis, no signs of inflammation, no mention of nodules or cavities. Yay!
We have agreed on twice weekly saline, once daily Breyna (Symbicort.) This, of course, will be increased in case of a respiratory bug or exacerbation. For daily airway clearance - her preferred method is via 30-60 minutes of exercise so I have resumed my brisk walking routine and am nearly up to one hour a day.
With the stable CT, we will forego the sputum culture for now.
We have set up a treatment protocol for exacerbations, which we already used when I had Covid - increased nebs, 5 days of steroids, and antibiotic in reserve. I have instructions to start steroids with any exacerbation and send her a message - then if not improved in the 5 days, start the antibiotic and notify her.
She diagnosed my "choking" episodes as Vocal Chord Dysfunction and I have already started speech therapy and corrective exercises. I will also see the ENT to make sure there is no trachea/vocal chord damage from years of coughing.
She was knowledgeable about Mayo Connect & NTM-ir and happy I was part of it.
For the first year, we will consult every 3 months, or more often if I have a problem.

This was followed by a visit to my cardiologist who feels the treatment for my newly-diagnosed blockage is going well, and all other tests show my heart and arteries to have no changes from earlier exams. The medications have controlled the long-time angina and shortness of breath that I thought it was "just asthma". So no invasive procedures and follow up in 6 months.

To say I feel blessed by finally making these connections is a gross understatement!

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So happy for you Sue! Sounds like you have a good doctor and you two connect well. What a blessing!

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@sueinmn

Update Report on my pulmonologist and CT results
@cwal @pacathy @lilianna @rstel7272 and anyone else who sent me good vibes - thank you!
I got a great report from my visit, but this is a bit long.
First, my new pulmonologist is awesome - I have been trying to get in to see her for almost 5 years, and finally! She is well-engaged with other pulmonologists who are expert in Bronchiectasis and NTM, including at Mayo. She is very up-to-date on the latest protocols and emerging treatments.
Second, she has assembled a team within our clinic who all work closely to keep us healthy - Respiratory Therapy, Speech Therapy, ENT, Infectious Disease and an awesome nurse.
Third, she LISTENS closely and respects my experience as a patient.

What were my results?
My CT shows stable bronchiectasis, no signs of inflammation, no mention of nodules or cavities. Yay!
We have agreed on twice weekly saline, once daily Breyna (Symbicort.) This, of course, will be increased in case of a respiratory bug or exacerbation. For daily airway clearance - her preferred method is via 30-60 minutes of exercise so I have resumed my brisk walking routine and am nearly up to one hour a day.
With the stable CT, we will forego the sputum culture for now.
We have set up a treatment protocol for exacerbations, which we already used when I had Covid - increased nebs, 5 days of steroids, and antibiotic in reserve. I have instructions to start steroids with any exacerbation and send her a message - then if not improved in the 5 days, start the antibiotic and notify her.
She diagnosed my "choking" episodes as Vocal Chord Dysfunction and I have already started speech therapy and corrective exercises. I will also see the ENT to make sure there is no trachea/vocal chord damage from years of coughing.
She was knowledgeable about Mayo Connect & NTM-ir and happy I was part of it.
For the first year, we will consult every 3 months, or more often if I have a problem.

This was followed by a visit to my cardiologist who feels the treatment for my newly-diagnosed blockage is going well, and all other tests show my heart and arteries to have no changes from earlier exams. The medications have controlled the long-time angina and shortness of breath that I thought it was "just asthma". So no invasive procedures and follow up in 6 months.

To say I feel blessed by finally making these connections is a gross understatement!

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Sue I am sooo happy for you. That’s a wonderful news, nothing more to wish for. Stay healthy and we really appreciate your voice of reason.

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@sueinmn

Update Report on my pulmonologist and CT results
@cwal @pacathy @lilianna @rstel7272 and anyone else who sent me good vibes - thank you!
I got a great report from my visit, but this is a bit long.
First, my new pulmonologist is awesome - I have been trying to get in to see her for almost 5 years, and finally! She is well-engaged with other pulmonologists who are expert in Bronchiectasis and NTM, including at Mayo. She is very up-to-date on the latest protocols and emerging treatments.
Second, she has assembled a team within our clinic who all work closely to keep us healthy - Respiratory Therapy, Speech Therapy, ENT, Infectious Disease and an awesome nurse.
Third, she LISTENS closely and respects my experience as a patient.

What were my results?
My CT shows stable bronchiectasis, no signs of inflammation, no mention of nodules or cavities. Yay!
We have agreed on twice weekly saline, once daily Breyna (Symbicort.) This, of course, will be increased in case of a respiratory bug or exacerbation. For daily airway clearance - her preferred method is via 30-60 minutes of exercise so I have resumed my brisk walking routine and am nearly up to one hour a day.
With the stable CT, we will forego the sputum culture for now.
We have set up a treatment protocol for exacerbations, which we already used when I had Covid - increased nebs, 5 days of steroids, and antibiotic in reserve. I have instructions to start steroids with any exacerbation and send her a message - then if not improved in the 5 days, start the antibiotic and notify her.
She diagnosed my "choking" episodes as Vocal Chord Dysfunction and I have already started speech therapy and corrective exercises. I will also see the ENT to make sure there is no trachea/vocal chord damage from years of coughing.
She was knowledgeable about Mayo Connect & NTM-ir and happy I was part of it.
For the first year, we will consult every 3 months, or more often if I have a problem.

This was followed by a visit to my cardiologist who feels the treatment for my newly-diagnosed blockage is going well, and all other tests show my heart and arteries to have no changes from earlier exams. The medications have controlled the long-time angina and shortness of breath that I thought it was "just asthma". So no invasive procedures and follow up in 6 months.

To say I feel blessed by finally making these connections is a gross understatement!

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That is wonderful news. So happy for you. Where is your new Dr. located. I recently found out that my Pulmo Dr. got a radiology report showing they suspected MAC back in 2016, but he never told me about it and never sent me for any CT scans etc. It didn't come to light until April of 2023 when I took myself to the ER for something else only to find out that a node showed up on my lung. From there my family Dr. sent me to this Pulmo Dr. who then sent me for CT scan and now told me I have MAC disease. He wanted me to start the Big 3 all at one time. I refused and found a new Dr. We are doing a watch and wait since I don't have a cough and do cough up a little mucus in the morning. My last CT showed no change. I'm 76 and he said it's possible I might die from something else before I ever have to go on the Big 3. I'm so happy I found this site and all of the wonderful people ( including you Sue) who share what they are going through and what they have learned on their journey. Barbara

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@sueinmn

Update Report on my pulmonologist and CT results
@cwal @pacathy @lilianna @rstel7272 and anyone else who sent me good vibes - thank you!
I got a great report from my visit, but this is a bit long.
First, my new pulmonologist is awesome - I have been trying to get in to see her for almost 5 years, and finally! She is well-engaged with other pulmonologists who are expert in Bronchiectasis and NTM, including at Mayo. She is very up-to-date on the latest protocols and emerging treatments.
Second, she has assembled a team within our clinic who all work closely to keep us healthy - Respiratory Therapy, Speech Therapy, ENT, Infectious Disease and an awesome nurse.
Third, she LISTENS closely and respects my experience as a patient.

What were my results?
My CT shows stable bronchiectasis, no signs of inflammation, no mention of nodules or cavities. Yay!
We have agreed on twice weekly saline, once daily Breyna (Symbicort.) This, of course, will be increased in case of a respiratory bug or exacerbation. For daily airway clearance - her preferred method is via 30-60 minutes of exercise so I have resumed my brisk walking routine and am nearly up to one hour a day.
With the stable CT, we will forego the sputum culture for now.
We have set up a treatment protocol for exacerbations, which we already used when I had Covid - increased nebs, 5 days of steroids, and antibiotic in reserve. I have instructions to start steroids with any exacerbation and send her a message - then if not improved in the 5 days, start the antibiotic and notify her.
She diagnosed my "choking" episodes as Vocal Chord Dysfunction and I have already started speech therapy and corrective exercises. I will also see the ENT to make sure there is no trachea/vocal chord damage from years of coughing.
She was knowledgeable about Mayo Connect & NTM-ir and happy I was part of it.
For the first year, we will consult every 3 months, or more often if I have a problem.

This was followed by a visit to my cardiologist who feels the treatment for my newly-diagnosed blockage is going well, and all other tests show my heart and arteries to have no changes from earlier exams. The medications have controlled the long-time angina and shortness of breath that I thought it was "just asthma". So no invasive procedures and follow up in 6 months.

To say I feel blessed by finally making these connections is a gross understatement!

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Sue, that is truly wonderful news! It sounds like a terrific team. It’s especially great that your angina is responding to treatment. I’m hoping you vocal cord therapy goes well.

I do have a couple questions. I was very surprised to read that you have no nodules on CT. Does this mean you have no trees-in-bud as well as isolated nodules? Ground glass?? I had thought all/most of us had them. Also, do you use albuterol nebs prior to walking or using saline?

I was also unfamiliar with NTM-it. I also ran across the slide about neb cups not needing to be sterilized-great news! I had missed that.
Thanks so much!

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@pacathy

Sue, that is truly wonderful news! It sounds like a terrific team. It’s especially great that your angina is responding to treatment. I’m hoping you vocal cord therapy goes well.

I do have a couple questions. I was very surprised to read that you have no nodules on CT. Does this mean you have no trees-in-bud as well as isolated nodules? Ground glass?? I had thought all/most of us had them. Also, do you use albuterol nebs prior to walking or using saline?

I was also unfamiliar with NTM-it. I also ran across the slide about neb cups not needing to be sterilized-great news! I had missed that.
Thanks so much!

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I feel like the 7% saline must have cleared the residuals. I haven't seen the images themselves yet, just the report. It said "no change from previous CT" so that would indicate there is still some tree-in-bud but the actual nodules were gone in 2021. Ground glass is usually a transient finding as far as I know. It is the radiologist's shortcut for saying he couldn't see everything clearly, usually because of active infection or effusion. In my case, I have some mild atelectasis (collapse) or scarring in the lower lungs - probably the artifacts of all the prior infections, and some air trapping - I can live with those. But it does explain why I am having a harder time upping the intensity of my walks.

Do I neb albuterol? No - Our protocol is for me to use the Symbicort inhaler which has a long-acting beta-agonist before saline and before exercise. And I neb the saline 2-3 times per week.

Here is the link for NTM-it: https://ntminfo.org/
There is a helpful Q&A group (also called Connect) and lots of helpful resources.

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@sueinmn

I feel like the 7% saline must have cleared the residuals. I haven't seen the images themselves yet, just the report. It said "no change from previous CT" so that would indicate there is still some tree-in-bud but the actual nodules were gone in 2021. Ground glass is usually a transient finding as far as I know. It is the radiologist's shortcut for saying he couldn't see everything clearly, usually because of active infection or effusion. In my case, I have some mild atelectasis (collapse) or scarring in the lower lungs - probably the artifacts of all the prior infections, and some air trapping - I can live with those. But it does explain why I am having a harder time upping the intensity of my walks.

Do I neb albuterol? No - Our protocol is for me to use the Symbicort inhaler which has a long-acting beta-agonist before saline and before exercise. And I neb the saline 2-3 times per week.

Here is the link for NTM-it: https://ntminfo.org/
There is a helpful Q&A group (also called Connect) and lots of helpful resources.

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Thanks, Sue. It brings me hope that you’ve cleared much of yours. My doc wants me to use 3 or 7% a couple times a week over winter and maybe I’ll be able to clear more. I tried it using my slow compressor and it very soothing (odd, right?), but I could never finish it because it was so slow! I just got a Proneb Max and tried yesterday and found out why people think it’s irritating. That was the 3%! I’ll figure it out since there’s so much info here.

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@pacathy

Thanks, Sue. It brings me hope that you’ve cleared much of yours. My doc wants me to use 3 or 7% a couple times a week over winter and maybe I’ll be able to clear more. I tried it using my slow compressor and it very soothing (odd, right?), but I could never finish it because it was so slow! I just got a Proneb Max and tried yesterday and found out why people think it’s irritating. That was the 3%! I’ll figure it out since there’s so much info here.

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I don't worry about finishing the saline - just breathing it in for 15 minutes (the limit of my patience) - if a little is left, no worries.

A while ago I posted (somewhere) in the 7% saline discussions that in my case, I think is stays in my lungs for a couple of days. It all started when I forgot my nebulizer on an overnight trip and did airway clearance without it in the morning - I could clearly taste the salt in the mucus I was clearing. Later that evening, back at home, I again could taste it when I coughed. That led me to believe alternate day nebbing would be "good enough" and I have been doing it ever since.

And now, out to walk...it is still lovely here, no jacket required nearing the end of October - wow!

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