Chronic severe nocturnal hypnic headaches
I am looking for anyone else who has been diagnosed and treated for chronic, severe nocturnal hypnic headaches. I have had them for about 12 years, and on treatment, but not optimal treatment. I am interested in hearing how others with this rare diagnosis are being told to treat them safely.
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Unfortunately, estrogen is not the answer. I keep praying that something will trigger these skull crushing headaches to cease as mysteriously as they began. I do feel better from discontinuing the Amitriptyline and Topomax. While they seemed to reduce the severity and frequency, the side effects weren’t tolerable. Seems bizarre that the pain is more crushing than any other migraine I ever had and that no narcotic thrown at it seemed to help, but excedrin migraine does reduce the pain and occasionally stop it altogether. The hours without sleep are draining either way. All the caffeine and excedrin are tough on my stomach and bladder. Any ideas and suggestions from other sufferers are appreciated.
Hi, @shaylala - welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Sounds like your pain is truly horrible -- skull-crushing, as you mentioned. I am glad that some of the posts in this discussion were helpful.
Hoping that @patiencepie @meme59 @so4tune8 @dawn_giacabazi @gussie @cherylsd @lauriedr @kdubois may have some input, since you've found estrogen wasn't the answer for your severe nocturnal hypnic headaches and you've had to discontinue the Amitriptyline and Topiramate (Topomax). @johnbishop may also have some thoughts for you.
@shaylala - have you gotten to ask your doctor what to try next at this point? Is so, what did he or she recommend?
Hi, @shaylala – I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with Lisa's @lisalucier. I can't imagine being woken from sleep by a headache. I've had migraines in the past but nothing that occurs on a regular basis. I did find a few articles on hypnic headaches but I'm not sure it they are helpful.
NIH - Hints on Diagnosing and Treating Headache
-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5974268/
Mayo Clinic Research Output - The hypnic ('alarm clock') headache syndrome
-- https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/the-hypnic-alarm-clock-headache-syndrome
Mayo Clinic Proceedings - Diagnosis and Management of Headache in Older Adults
-- https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(17)30871-6/fulltext
Hope you find some answers soon.
John
Thanks for your comments Lisa. My neurologist is suggesting a round of Prednisone next. She would try the Occipital Nerve Block but my insurance won't cover that...although I'll be asking what it will cost if the Prednisone doesn't help. I was intrigued by leamm @leamm comments on Adenosine. I normally have no difficulty falling asleep and have never been a "morning person", finding it difficult to jump up and get going...so maybe I do have an abundancy of this sleep hormone. I wonder if others with these headaches might, as well.
When will you start the prednisone, @shaylala? It would be great if you could post here about how that goes.
Stop the Excedrin by taking a caffeine pill right away when you feel a headache is coming. I may take it even at 6 pm or 8 if I had a stressed day . I believe the other medicine in Excedrin wore me down and triggers Migraines.All the drugs did.The less I take the better for me. Melatonin can be tricky too.Before I noticed it could even make my migraine worse if I take it after onset of headache.So now I try to get my caffeine pill taken and hour before I take melatonin do it can do it's job better blocking the adenosine.
@shaylala I am sorry to hear you are going through this. I never had hypnic headaches but I had severe migraines, usually once a month for 3 or 4 days, occasionally two times a month. Back then there wasn't anything for them. Imitrex came out near the end of my headaches but I was afraid to try it. My daughter suffers from severe migraines now.
I presume the drugs you mention are more recent improvements since Imitrex came out. I'm really not sure what she uses.
If the headaches can be treated similarly to migraines, there are some new treatments out now. Of course they have been using Botox for a while but there is something newer that is supposed to be even more effective. I could check with my daughter because I don't remember the name of it now. I do not believe it is yet covered by insurance, but when you are in such pain it can be worth it.
I hope you will find a solution, having suffered from migraines for so long I can almost feel your pain.
JK
@meme59 @shaylala When you take headache medications too frequently you have to be very conscious of "rebound headaches" too. Too frequent use of many of these cause this.
JK
@lisalucier I am planning to start the prednisone in about 10 days. Taking a trip with girlfriends and don't want to chance anything new until I'll be back at home. I will update you on that once I've started it.
@meme59, thanks for your advice. I got some caffeine pills today and will use those before bed tonight instead of the excedrin, per your suggestion. I have a very dear friend that's a dean of pharmacology. He told me a long time ago that pain responds better if you don't wait until it's awful to take the meds. Likened it to stopping a car before it starts to roll down the hill. Once it's rolling it's much more difficult to stop. Like these headaches, when they began waking me the pain was already so severe it seemed nothing would help, not even the stuff they added to my IV the night we went to the emergency room. Truly was shocked to discover over the counter meds were helping when I stumbled upon this group. What a blessing you all have been!