MAC/NTM is Different for Everyone, Treatment might be different too

Posted by Sue, Volunteer Mentor @sueinmn, Jul 31, 2023

What is the point of this discussion?
Let's stop scaring one another when we talk about treatment. Based on the severity of our infections, some people NEED antibiotic therapy to regain their health. Others of us are fortunate to be able to maintain with airway clearance, saline nebs, diet and exercise.

What do we have in common?
We have MAC or NTM, usually with Bronchictasis, COPD, or another chronic lung condition.
We have struggled to find a health care team that understands these rare conditions and how to treat them.
We came to Mayo Connect seeking answers and support.

How are we different?
Based on our own experiences, we each have a personal point of view on how MAC/NTM and Bronchiectasis "should" be treated.
Our conditions vary greatly in severity and symptoms.
We each bring our own "hotdish" of age, other conditions, drug tolerance or allergies, etc.
A treatment that works for me may be intolerable to you and vice versa.
Let's remember that Mayo Connect is here to provide evidence-based information, as well as to share personal journeys.

So what to say when talking about treatment?
It is perfectly okay for me to say "I had a bad reaction to Drug A" but not to say "Nobody should take Drug A!" if Drug A is the medically accepted protocol for treating a condition.
Likewise it is okay to say "There is a risk of X Side Effect" and even better to say "Y% of people experience this side effect." Or "Here is how to recognize this side effect..."

And it is wonderful to talk about all the additional ways we have found to stay healthy, as long as they are medically sound.

What have you personally found to be the most, or the least helpful in our support group?

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group.

@squire123

Am a retired mental health therapist, overwhelmed with info, have rare lentiflavin microbacteria. I reached out to gp as I felt the need to have a fiend in Prozac. Helps with anxiety. I am trying to find pulmonary doc to keep me well with airway clearance, saline, diet and exercise. No meds as no nodules or holes! United Health care wanted $150 dollars for saline, will use Good Rx for $18.00. Lesson learned try discount cards.

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My doc has me buy distilled water and boil it and add non iodized salt. Very inexpensive to make so replacing after a couple of weeks makes sense.

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@sueinmn

I thought people visiting here who may be new to MAC/NTM might be interested in this fairly recent video from National Jewish Health, which covers the decision of when to watch and wait and when to treat quite throtoughly:

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Thank you Sue. I was just diagnosed yesterday with MAC/NTM and am very overwhelmed at a lot of conflicting information. I'm very much a logic/information person who then makes decisions based on the latest information I have. I appreciated your calm and pragmatic approach with getting information and understanding that it will be unique to each person. It can be a lot of "noise" to sort through, and I appreciate the links and information.

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@curlycuechristine

Thank you Sue. I was just diagnosed yesterday with MAC/NTM and am very overwhelmed at a lot of conflicting information. I'm very much a logic/information person who then makes decisions based on the latest information I have. I appreciated your calm and pragmatic approach with getting information and understanding that it will be unique to each person. It can be a lot of "noise" to sort through, and I appreciate the links and information.

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The "noise" and conflicting information are what brought me to Mayo Connect almost six years ago. Welcome to a club nobody would choose to join - but I'm very glad we are all here together to support one another.

My three mantras, learned at the hands of two excellent doctors are:

"Daily airway clearance, with saline nebs and/or a bronchodilator if indicated, is a valid form of treatment for some people with MAC. When it isn't enough, it's time for the "big guns" - antibiotics. They are difficult, but not to be feared."
"Bronchiectasis is a disease you live with, not die from. You need to figure out what works for you and keep going. Take reasonable precautions and get on with living. Don't let fear get in the way of living your life."
"MAC/NTM is everywhere. You cannot eliminate exposure unless you literally live in a sterile bubble. Figure out which risks are the highest for you and minimize them. Ignore the rest."

Feel free to ask questions of any of us at any time. We were all new at this one day.
Sue

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@sueinmn

A big question around NTM is when/whether to treat with antibiotics.
Here is yet another great discussion about the difference between patients. This video is well worth the 40 minutes, and answers a lot of questions that are asked here - right from the experts.

Here is the latest from NJH (National Jewish Health):


Dr Daley is one of the foremost experts on NTM, and he clarifies when to use "watchful waiting" and when and how to treat.
Sue

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Just found this post Sue. Thanks.
I am going to listen to it.

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@sueinmn

The "noise" and conflicting information are what brought me to Mayo Connect almost six years ago. Welcome to a club nobody would choose to join - but I'm very glad we are all here together to support one another.

My three mantras, learned at the hands of two excellent doctors are:

"Daily airway clearance, with saline nebs and/or a bronchodilator if indicated, is a valid form of treatment for some people with MAC. When it isn't enough, it's time for the "big guns" - antibiotics. They are difficult, but not to be feared."
"Bronchiectasis is a disease you live with, not die from. You need to figure out what works for you and keep going. Take reasonable precautions and get on with living. Don't let fear get in the way of living your life."
"MAC/NTM is everywhere. You cannot eliminate exposure unless you literally live in a sterile bubble. Figure out which risks are the highest for you and minimize them. Ignore the rest."

Feel free to ask questions of any of us at any time. We were all new at this one day.
Sue

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Your three mantras (except I still fear if I ever have to do the Big 3) are what I've come to realize myself after much worry and self doubt. I had to live and learn this stuff for a while to understand it, and I had to wade through it myself without the good guidance that should come from our physician. The information on this site and my own knowledge search has proven well. Thank you Sue.

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@cwal

Your three mantras (except I still fear if I ever have to do the Big 3) are what I've come to realize myself after much worry and self doubt. I had to live and learn this stuff for a while to understand it, and I had to wade through it myself without the good guidance that should come from our physician. The information on this site and my own knowledge search has proven well. Thank you Sue.

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I may come from a slightly different perspective, where I do not expect the physician to provide much detail - that used to be the province of the "wise and loyal staff nurse" who has gone the way of the neighborhood druggist, the milkman, and the mechanic in the corner gas station.

I got my best instruction on airway clearance, sputum samples and other things MAC from my first pulmonologist's experienced RN, who he was only able to keep by threatening to quit our clinic (both have since retired.)

Now I go to a "specialty center" within our network, where there is one respiratory therapist for five docs, one RN and one PA to assist them with all that must be done. The nurse and RT earn exactly half of what they would be paid in the hospital, so needless to say, there is often turnover. The PA's generally only stay until their "spot" opens up in medical school. And the doc is allotted 30 minutes for each patient -including a pre-read of often extensive medical history and completing their notes (one hour for an initial consult, 20 minutes for a "simple follow-up").

I am fortunate to have this forum, ability to sift through technical research, and the time to do it.

Please understand that the "Big 3" are less scary than cancer treatment, life with diabetes, and many other conditions. No denying it's unpleasant, but the alternative of losing lung function or even part/all of a lung are far worse.

Is airway clearance working for you to keep the infection tamped down?
Sue

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Wise words and thank you. I have to say I appeciate this group enormously. I feel there is a lot of respect here and that it's a safe place to express myself.

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@sueinmn

I may come from a slightly different perspective, where I do not expect the physician to provide much detail - that used to be the province of the "wise and loyal staff nurse" who has gone the way of the neighborhood druggist, the milkman, and the mechanic in the corner gas station.

I got my best instruction on airway clearance, sputum samples and other things MAC from my first pulmonologist's experienced RN, who he was only able to keep by threatening to quit our clinic (both have since retired.)

Now I go to a "specialty center" within our network, where there is one respiratory therapist for five docs, one RN and one PA to assist them with all that must be done. The nurse and RT earn exactly half of what they would be paid in the hospital, so needless to say, there is often turnover. The PA's generally only stay until their "spot" opens up in medical school. And the doc is allotted 30 minutes for each patient -including a pre-read of often extensive medical history and completing their notes (one hour for an initial consult, 20 minutes for a "simple follow-up").

I am fortunate to have this forum, ability to sift through technical research, and the time to do it.

Please understand that the "Big 3" are less scary than cancer treatment, life with diabetes, and many other conditions. No denying it's unpleasant, but the alternative of losing lung function or even part/all of a lung are far worse.

Is airway clearance working for you to keep the infection tamped down?
Sue

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Yes, so far! I am thankful for that! I have much to be thankful for at this point. Airway clearance is an important and a basic first line of care with all this pulmonary stuff.
I am thankful I have enough knowledge and common sense to be able to discern when a physician simply just does not know or does not care enough to provide accurate diagnosis and care.
I am also thankful I now have a pulmonologist that is knowledgable and does care enough to provide an accurate diagnosis and care. It is like night and day.
Appreciate all your research also. You seem to come up with info that I have not seen or been able to find. Such good info gets exchanged on this Mayo Clinic site.

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@susanp64

Good morning! This group has been so encouraging to me. Thanks to this group I have started nebulizing with saline. I have learned different methods of airway clearance. I have read two recommended books on how to approach this condition with a good attitude and incorporate medical treatment, exercise, diet, laughter/fun and other treatments like acupuncture. I just had my first acupuncture treatment. I have learned to accept this diagnosis and now view it as part of my life and not the defining thing in my life. I am not on antibiotics yet, but I have come to understand that I most likely will be on them at some point. I know when that time comes I will find the support of this group to as invaluable as it has been this far.

I have more peace about this diagnosis than I have had since I learned of it. Part of that peace comes from knowing that I have a community who will give me sound advice. Thank you for reminding us all of our responsibility to each other.

Now I need some of that sound advice. 🥰 I have only had one sputum culture (September 30, 2022). Nothing grew in the culture. My pulmonologist hasn’t suggested another culture. Should I request one? I had a CT in May of this year and things seem stable. I’m still waiting to hear from Dr. McShane at UT Tyler for an appointment. I know if she accepts me as a patient I can’t get into see her until next March unless there is a cancellation. I’m praying that I can see her sooner rather than later.

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hello susan , i am new to the forum and am wanting to read up on this condition.. i had one pos sputum culture but have been plagued with pneumonia over the past 5 months. has resolved but the MAC dx is just over the hill. my CAT scans are text book for MAC. Could you share the names of the books you have read re this condition and if it has been helpful to you?

thanks

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I had bing on big 3 and Arikace treatment for MAI 18 months and had 11 times negative culture results.Because I have had more coughing than usual and blood spots in the sputum.My pulmonologist ordered Bronchoscopy for me.The smear fount Aspergillus、From now on I have to fight the Aspergilus infection and stop antibiotics.Anybody know about this fungi? I am nervous.
Thanks for any information.
Liangni1

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