After Whipple surgery, Pathology showed Positive Lymph Nodes
Hello All,
My mom had a Whipple procedure about two weeks ago. Pathology reports came back showing 3 of 39 regional lymph nodes positive. Margins were negative. She did four cycles of neoadjuvant chemotherapy and will start adjuvant chemotherapy at six weeks post whipple.
Does anyone have experience with whipple plus positive lymph nodes? MD Anderson didn’t provide much detail in terms of prognosis.
Thanks!
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I had whipple surgery also in 2024 I had 2 lymph nodes removed tested positive. The surgeon told me this was normal.
That is a very good question and one where not having an effective chemo regimen for late stage pancreatic cancer until the FDA approval of Folfirinox in 2011 reinforced the idea it was not possible to achieve cure in this cohort. It then required many more years to accumulate case histories documenting long-term survivors. While there are increasing reports of long-term survivors and exceptional responders that are considered cured, in nearly all cases it required going beyond standard of care treatments or adding targeted therapy as part of the treatment plan.
Folfirinox and (m)Folfirinox which is a lower concentration regimen approved in 2018 and has been used since, has a treatment plan of 12 cycles. That number was picked in response to a question posed to pancreatic cancer oncologists as to how many cycles did they feel a patient could tolerate with respect to side effects/adverse events and achieve No Evidence of Disease. It was by working committee consensus, probably convened by the American Society of Clinical Oncology, that the number twelve was selected. This does not in any way guarantee eradication of minimal residual disease (MRD) which is the cause in the vast majority of recalcitrance-as much as 80% within 24 months following treatment. The hope of the oncologist is his/her patient achieves N.E.D. and their immune system remains robust to keep MRD under control. If one’s immune system is challenged and weakens, all bets are off.
Oncologists will not push or suggest going beyond 12 cycles. The reason is the chemo is very toxic and causes short, long and permanent damage to tissues and organs. No oncologist wants to put themselves in the position of criticism by patient or caregivers that they were the cause of the impact chemo had on quality of life. This impacts quality of life and older patients and those exhibiting frailty often have to stop or have Folfirinox modified by reducing concentrations or eliminating one or more components. It requires self-advocacy of a patient to confront their oncologist and clearly convey one’s objective and willingness to go beyond standard of care for more aggressive treatment or consider treatment methods not standard of care yet for pancreatic cancer but are used for other solid tumor types with a degree of success.
When I was diagnosed in 2012 with stage IV disease to the liver, it was obvious to me that standard of care was only going to give standard results and that was not acceptable to me. I was physically, emotionally and mentally strong and made it clear to my oncologist I had the fortitude, persistence and ability to persevere. I’m certain no member of my team ever expected me to survive more than one year. They never had a patient like me that pushed myself very hard and expressed my willingness to withstand considerable discomfort and rise above the adversity that comes with the diagnosis. I made the point that I had nothing to lose, my affairs were in order and understood the ramifications of short, long and permanent effects I could experience. I made it clear those were acceptable risks and would deal with them if they occurred. And with that, my oncologist and care team members worked together in getting me through the challenges resulting in first achieving N.E.D and years later pronounced cured. So to go beyond standard of care, it requires the patient to self-advocate.
Hello was wondering if you could comment. Any idea why they just decide if there is any recurrence that survival or cure is impossible. There are outliers, why do they discount any possibility?
Hi- I am dealing with an extremely similar situation. Any idea why they just decide if there is any recurrence that survival or cure is impossible. There are outliers, why do they discount any possibility?
Hi @darlenehbrown, it is always shocking to hear that the cancer has spread to the lymph nodes. You may wish to also connect with others in these related discussions about bile duct cancer.
- Cholangiocarcinoma Bile Duct Cancer: Want to share experiences?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/cholangiocarcinoma-bile-duct-cancer/
- Cholangiocarcinoma - Bile Duct Cancer - anyone else dealing with this?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/cholangiocarcinoma-bile-duct-cancer-anyone-else-dealing-with-this/
Follow the Liver Cancer support group and see more discussions here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/liver-cancer/
Diagnosed with extrahepatic bile duct cancer in late May 2022. Had Whipple in August 2022. 13 nodes removed, 2 positive. 6 months of Capecitabine. Scans and bloodwork every 3 months. Clear until Feb 2024. One node was suspicious. Surgery to remove node in March 2024. Node had an extension on it exposing cancer cells to soft tissue. Meet with oncologist Monday wanting hard cold facts. Seeing another oncologist 2 months from now as a second opinion. Metastasis to the lymph nodes is never good
@raj1979, how are you doing? Did you start chemotherapy yet?
Wow! Impressive story! I have the BRCA gene and had a good response to Folfox, couldn't take the irinotecan. I have developed some neuropathy. I could live with it but I had an allergic reaction to oxyplaiinum after 11 treatments. Fortunately I have gone from being borderline resectable to resectable and will have surgery June 21st. I will keep your very inspiring story with me. Surgery very scary knowing how recurrences are common and I am allergic to a platinum chemotherapy which is most effective in BRCA gene carriers.
Amazing congrats
@raj1979, I hope you saw the helpful posts you received from fellow members. How is your mom doing? How is her recovery from surgery going?