When do you do your airway clearance treatments?

Posted by deestrada @deestrada, Jun 16 12:23pm

I do two airway clearance treatments a day. My pulmonologist told me to do the first one when I first got up. I'm finding that this often delays or inhibits any appetite I might have in the morning, which affects my whole day. When do you do your treatments, morning when you first get up, after breakfast, etc?

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It's an app that coaches deep breathing, holding, huff cough, etc. I also find it helpful.

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If you do a google search there are fantastic videos on autogenic drainage, mostly from Australia, where it is described in detail so you can understand the logic of it. The app is most valuable, I think, after you have a basic understanding of what it’s about.

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I do airway clearance usually before I eat at mid day (well after breakfast ) and again before supper.

I might huff cough some mucus in the morning but can’t clear enough before noon to do 15-25 minutes of A/C before breakfast.

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Thank you. I have noticed that I don't have as much mucous in the mornings when I first get up as. I appreciate your experience!

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Ok, @deestrada I have a slightly different issue, I wake up dehydrated and hungry, and I just don’t want to wait to eat/drink until after A/C, it’s too uncomfortable for me, and so it is not something I will stick long term. So, I eat/drink when I rise, then I wait two hours and do my morning airway clearance. I do my second A/C around 9 pm, a couple hours after dinner, and a couple hours before bed. I think for all of us, we have to find a schedule that makes sense for us long term. If doing A/C first thing in morning doesn’t work for you, experiment with other options. There is scant data on A/C so no one can really tell us (with any certainty) what is optimal, even 2x a day is not something all NTM experts advise (McShane suggests once a day A/C with a session of exercise) so while A/C is important and something we should all be doing, there is no one way to do it. Experiment, how can you best accomplish getting a morning A/C session in without disrupting your appetite. Maintaining your weight is key, and I would not want to see you eating less to do A/C first thing in the morning, when there is nothing to support that doing it later in the morning isn’t just as effective. I do think it is important not to eat or drink 2 hours before A/C so for those having coffee, etc. right before (hopefully not during) A/C, I would recommend rethinking that approach, @mjb24.

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Thank you for your thorough comments! I will experiment as you suggested.

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I was recently at NJH and their recommendation was on an empty stomach, before breakfast and dinner. Due to my daily schedule, I usually do at least 2 hours after both meals.

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Very helpful! I see from all the comments, waiting at least 2 hours after a meal is advisable.

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Profile picture for blm1007blm1007 @blm1007blm1007

In your readings of areas of Mayo Clinic Connect you will hear the words "We are all different.
For myself it has taken me quite a while to understand everything. The key is to learn as you go by finding the information you need and the routine that is best for YOU.
Nebulizing by itself is not Air Way Clearance. There are different things one can do that fall under what Air Way Clearance Techniques are. Autogenic Drainage is one, Active Cycle Breathing is another and Postural Drainage is another. Some people do certain Yoga postions to help with air way clearance, clearing the lungs of the mucus and mucus plugs.
However with Postural Drainage people must be aware of the fact that it is not best for people with Acid Reflux.
As you are probably realizing, much of the information on this thread can be found by searching the internet.
Hope you are finding all you need. There is much on all of this information on other threads on this Mayo Clinic Connect and hope you are able to find them. It does take time and that is a precious commodity.
Barbara

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Hi Barbara,
Thank you for your input. I add the Smartvest therapy (15 minute therapy) after my nebulizer treatment and finish off with a couple of puffs of Simbecort. It is very helpful for me to hear from actual persons who are experiencing a certain condition, and how they are navigating their treatment, rather than comb through hundreds of articles on the Internet. I am very grateful for Mayo Clinic Connect!
Diane

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There is an app that coaches this? I am having a hard time learning on my own.

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check out all the advice, education and support at http://www.pulmonarywellness.org. Online group support also. All free.

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If you do a google search there are fantastic videos on autogenic drainage, mostly from Australia, where it is described in detail so you can understand the logic of it. The app is most valuable, I think, after you have a basic understanding of what it’s about.

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Hi paxmundi-
I just found this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC-H8fFzZes
What do you think about it? I was impressed with her full discussion.
Sounded logical about how often one should or should not be doing the coughing throughout the day. I may have been doing it too much, don't know for sure because I feel fine but do feel I have more mucus. So I might have overdone the clearing in between the nebulizing sessions and the clearing afterwards.
Hope you are doing well and all good with the pulmonologist etc.
Barbara

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Profile picture for blm1007blm1007 @blm1007blm1007

Hi paxmundi-
I just found this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC-H8fFzZes
What do you think about it? I was impressed with her full discussion.
Sounded logical about how often one should or should not be doing the coughing throughout the day. I may have been doing it too much, don't know for sure because I feel fine but do feel I have more mucus. So I might have overdone the clearing in between the nebulizing sessions and the clearing afterwards.
Hope you are doing well and all good with the pulmonologist etc.
Barbara

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Thank you Barbara for this video. It got me wondering about my nebulizer sessions in the morning. I find I don’t have much mucous in the morning now and the 7% sodium chloride makes me cough violently often to the point of vomiting. When I don’t get much up that first treatment, later I seem to be experiencing more phlegm during the day. I’ve started delaying my first treatment until after breakfast and getting into my day. But even that isn’t consistent with ease of phlegm removal initially. I use the aeobeka and a SmartVest additionally. Now Im wondering what is best for me.
Diane

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Thank you Barbara for this video. It got me wondering about my nebulizer sessions in the morning. I find I don’t have much mucous in the morning now and the 7% sodium chloride makes me cough violently often to the point of vomiting. When I don’t get much up that first treatment, later I seem to be experiencing more phlegm during the day. I’ve started delaying my first treatment until after breakfast and getting into my day. But even that isn’t consistent with ease of phlegm removal initially. I use the aeobeka and a SmartVest additionally. Now Im wondering what is best for me.
Diane

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Diane Are you doing sodium choride or hypertonic saline solution? Not good, 'to the point of vomiting." I don't know how long you have been doing all but it takes time, as many have said, to find your way to what is best for you. I also think in the beginning it takes time to loosen the mucus...with needing to get enough moisture in the lungs. No different than taking certain medications and knowing it will take time to see results. What do you think???
Barbara

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