What is better for treatment of basal skin cancer radiation or Mohs?

Posted by mustsell @mustsell, Dec 14, 2023

I have basil skin cancer on my forehead.
What is the best treatment radiation therapy or mohs therapy. And what is more invasive? How long can I wait to start treatment as mohs surgery doctors have long waiting times.

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@liv38556

I was dx’d recently with Basel Cell Carcinoma on my upper nose very close to one of my eyes. A Dermatologist office did the biopsy. I wasn’t told it’s any particular type. In fact I have had a rough time getting back in touch with the Dermatologist about it. They set me up to have a Mohs surgery done on it to remove it. Then they want me to drive to a different location of theirs to have an Oculoplastic Surgeon close it up. They have been talking about wanting to do it with a graft. It’s very small compared to a soft tissue Sarcoma I had removed on my upper leg a few years ago where I had to have a Wound Vac to help it close up. I’m beside myself with stress due to having to drive 3 hrs just to get to their Dermatology office and my husband is 76 years old and he does all the driving and we aren’t familiar with the city where it’s at. I mean we have already been to their dermatology group but we are only familiar now with where “they” are at. I had a soft tissue Sarcoma removed from my upper thigh 3 years ago by the same hospital group and they removed it and repaired it all in one hospital visit (it was a large grade III) so I fail to understand why their Dermatology group told me that I would have to have 2 different surgeries at 2 different locations on the same day. I’m trying to get answers but like I said it’s been difficult communicating with this hospital group many times (I should’ve asked these questions when I was at the Dermatologist office but I didn’t think to and it’s not the first time I’ve had to deal with this communication problem with all of them over the years.) I also joined a Sarcoma Study Group with this hospitals Redcap team in the past year and they took 5 vials of blood from me on a home visit they did and I have yet to receive any lab results to do with that when I was expecting I would and phone calls to them have been getting me nowhere. I’m pretty depressed & frustrated.

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Hi @liv38556, I just wanted to check in on you. At the time of this last post, you were very frustrated and somewhat deflated with the run around you were getting. Did you have the MOHS surgery? How are you doing?

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@mustsell
Basal cell carcinoma is very common. If you are light skin and/or spent a lot of time in the sun (regardless of skin tone) in your life you probably will get it sooner or later. Most medical providers will tell you it is what you did 20,30,40 years ago that is the predominate cause of the cancer.

I have had about 6 basal cells, and 3 squanomous. Getting hard in my old age now to remember them all. I have used the MOHS on all. MOHS surgeon are traiend and very specialiszed surgeons. Having to wait is not uncommon. Basal cells are slow growing so having to wait awhile for a good MOHS surgeon is worth it.

You asked about what is more invasive and what is best treatment. Your dermatologist should be answering those questions as we do not know where, how involved, etc. If you have radiation it is non invasive. But radiation has side affects and damage to other tissues but new proton radiation can reduce this.

MOHS surgery is invasive. A lot of cancer patients like it because the cancer is removed in one visit. So when you leave you are cancer free. It can be a simple procedure or can get involved if you cancer is large or spread to more than a small area. Thus you could have a minor surgery or major one with stitches.

With MOHS the surgeon is looking at your biopsie and then will try to surgical remove the cancer and remove skin/tissue surronding cancer to ensure the cancer is removed. This requires the surgeon to remove the cancer and some surrounding tissue and then it is send back to pathology. Pathogy and surgeon will determine if all the cancer has been removed. If so then you are done and surgeon will determine best way to close wound and follow up care.

If the pathologist and surgeon see that there is still some cancer left in the surrounding tissue they will come back to you (as you wait on surgeon table) advising you of their findings and surgically remove the area found ot have cancer. Then this tissue is sent back to pathology and surgeon and pathologist confirm if all cancer has been removed but if not the procedure continues.

You won't leave until all your cancer has been removed. This is why I choose MOHS each time I am diagnosed with either basal or suganamous (spell).

Good luck. If you choose MOHS just make sure you have an experienced MOHS trained surgeon to do your surgery. Radiology for skin cancer is not something I am familiar with. I know my dermatologist gives me about 5 different treatments and goes over the pros and cons of each. Again I chose MOHS.

I go to Mayo Jacksonville who have excellent dermatoligist, expereinced trained specialized MOHS surgeons, and a great pathology department.

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You could seek a second opinion regarding the basal cell from another Mohs surgeon. Some fellowship trained Mohs surgeons perform their own repairs immediately after margins are cleared. There is no rush to get it done.
Copies of your biopsy report and any photos should be available for you to have the additional consultation.
It is a delicate area for surgeons and the size and depth can be unpredictable. Radiation would require multiple visits to the treatment location most convention to you.
Hope there are closer options for you. Could there be
an option for a telemedicine visit with a Mohs practitioner in your area.?

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I had MOHs for a recurring spot in 1988! It has not come back. I believe it is pretty much the cure for Basal cell.

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To; liv38556,
I recently had 2 biopsies. One on my upper chest and the other on the upper side of my nose. It was extremely close to my eye. The biopsy healed okay, it was determined to be basal cell. I recently had the upper chest early melanoma removed with 13-14 stiches. Now they have scheduled me for the removal of the basal cell by my eye. The Dermatologist gave me options of Radiation or Mohs. He explained that the Mohs dissection does not get stiches in this area. Basically, sounds like the wound would heal from the inside out. I want to tell you to reconsider continuing with this/these groups of Dermatologist. The extra travel and the fact that the procedure will be at 2 different places is ridiculous. Adding to this is the fact that they consistently do not communicate to the patient any feedback. Before you call them back write down your exact questions you want answered. Look up this group's recent evaluations. At any appointment, no matter what kind of Dr. you will see... Always ask questions. Using their Patient Portal is a good way to get your concerns in writing and to see your concerns addressed. Please always ask Questions. I'm guessing you have Medicare as your Primary Insurance and Possibly a very positive Secondary insurance. You know that "old" saying "Money Talks?" Well in this current economy MONEY is SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER. Stay well, SJR

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I was dx’d recently with Basel Cell Carcinoma on my upper nose very close to one of my eyes. A Dermatologist office did the biopsy. I wasn’t told it’s any particular type. In fact I have had a rough time getting back in touch with the Dermatologist about it. They set me up to have a Mohs surgery done on it to remove it. Then they want me to drive to a different location of theirs to have an Oculoplastic Surgeon close it up. They have been talking about wanting to do it with a graft. It’s very small compared to a soft tissue Sarcoma I had removed on my upper leg a few years ago where I had to have a Wound Vac to help it close up. I’m beside myself with stress due to having to drive 3 hrs just to get to their Dermatology office and my husband is 76 years old and he does all the driving and we aren’t familiar with the city where it’s at. I mean we have already been to their dermatology group but we are only familiar now with where “they” are at. I had a soft tissue Sarcoma removed from my upper thigh 3 years ago by the same hospital group and they removed it and repaired it all in one hospital visit (it was a large grade III) so I fail to understand why their Dermatology group told me that I would have to have 2 different surgeries at 2 different locations on the same day. I’m trying to get answers but like I said it’s been difficult communicating with this hospital group many times (I should’ve asked these questions when I was at the Dermatologist office but I didn’t think to and it’s not the first time I’ve had to deal with this communication problem with all of them over the years.) I also joined a Sarcoma Study Group with this hospitals Redcap team in the past year and they took 5 vials of blood from me on a home visit they did and I have yet to receive any lab results to do with that when I was expecting I would and phone calls to them have been getting me nowhere. I’m pretty depressed & frustrated.

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She is not trained in MOHS, and only has a radiation therapist do it. She said there is limited skin on the forehead to utilize MOHS.

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@seniormed

If you go for a Mohs consult it is helpful if you have a photo of the original biopsy site on your phone or
EHR. Forehead cancers are a good site for Mohs
healing. Radiation will generally cause several weeks of
inflammation in the healing process. SRT is helpful for
people on blood thinners or risk of bleeding. Check to
see if your surgeon is fellowship trained and certified.

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Thank you

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If you go for a Mohs consult it is helpful if you have a photo of the original biopsy site on your phone or
EHR. Forehead cancers are a good site for Mohs
healing. Radiation will generally cause several weeks of
inflammation in the healing process. SRT is helpful for
people on blood thinners or risk of bleeding. Check to
see if your surgeon is fellowship trained and certified.

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@gingerw

@mustsell Let's see what type of basal cell skin cancer it is, first. I would ask her the reasons behind her desire to use radiation, and how that treatment would be different from MOHS procedure.

I have had several MOHS procedures done. The most complicated one was a nodular basal cell located on my right collarbone, that had tentacles spread under the skin. It took 5 passes to remove all of it. I have a cool lightning strike looking scar as a result!

When will you get the biopsy results back?
Ginger

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Hopefully soon. She doesn't do Mohs. She would have to refer me to someone who does. She uses Image Guided Superficial Radio Thetapy (SRT)

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