What do you do for Neuropathy itch?

Good morning everyone. I am desperately in need of help with what is called Neuropathy itch. I have SFN (small fiber neuropathy) and am a medical cannabis user for pain. I don't know what to use for this itching. It appears that it reaches through several skin layers. No matter how much you scratch you make it worse, not better. Once you start itching, it's over....your are stuck scratching.

Have you tried certain baths? Oatmeal? I have a steroid cream called Triamcinolone Acetonide. Not exactly a wonder drug. Is there a better one?

The itching results in a terrible level of anxiety. I try to run away from it and cannot. It reminds me of summer in Minnesota when the mosquitoes launch their attacks. I am female with "O" negative blood which they just devour.

Even if you have a solution for other than neuropathy, please share and I will happily do the research. The stress of isolated living and a form of depression that is about our global community also creeps in.

The only thing that works right now for food is gelato.......Salted caramel, if you please. I hope you are all well and blessed with good health today.
Chris

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@helennicola

Hi Hank, Chris, do you think a tens unit could achieve the same result? Just wondering. Helen

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Hi, Helen @helennicola and Hank (@fesfactsman........do you use tens unit, Helen? I used a tens unit for my back (35 yrs ago). It wasn't much good then but I was close to the tolerance limit for surgery. Maybe I should try it again. Think they might have improved in 35 years...huh? Please make a recommendation and I will let Santa know it is on my list.

May you have peace and ease.
Chris

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@jesfactsmon

@artscaping
Hi Chris, did you ever happen to try a massage/vibration unit on your itchy hand/arm? In case not, I do think there is a chance (perhaps small) that it might help, especially if you put on the compression sleeve right afterward (or do it with it on). I'm not referring to the sonicare idea (expensive if you do not have one to experiment with), but rather a different smallish unit which my wife Linda also uses.

Here is the Amazon link to it:
https://www.amazon.com/Uniclife-Massager-Portable-Shoulders-Operated/dp/B018U6Q1V2/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Uniclife+Mini+Penguin+Massager%2CPortable+Massage%2C+Neck%2C+Shoulders+and+Back%2C+Battery+Operated%2C+White&qid=1607787462&sr=8-1
Maybe you already have something similar, but the vibrations this thing puts out are pretty strong & deep for its size and cost. I probably seem like I am beating a dead horse here, but I just think this might help your hand/arm itch areas if you have not tried it. I just feel so much compassion for you with this. I know how difficult it has been watching my wife suffer with it..

Best, Hank

PS: I promise this will be the last time I will bring this idea up unsolicited on Connect. I don't want to seem tedious. 😊

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Greetings Hank, @jesfactsman. I checked out the Penguin Massager. I love penguins and their waddle so I ordered it. How does Linda use it? Does it have more than one setting? I guess I better wait till it gets here. Thanks for the suggestion. You try so very hard to fix, cure, help everyone, Hank. Remember.......everyone is different. I am a nature person.....organic, healthy food, natural medications, excercise, and for the brain, meditation, yoga, and mindfulness. I am innately hesitant about miracle machines or other extraneous utensils.

You are not beating a dead horse here.....you are just dealing with an "old" farm girl. I am, however, interested in what works for Linda as she travels along her own path. Do you ever think that maybe we sometimes jump on every possibility and change horses in
midstream too frequently? Some of these medications take days and weeks for the body to become comfortable with its reactions to the introduction of something new. And then some medications or other aids wear out their usefulness because we, as patients, are physically and mentally changing.

May you be safe and protected.
May Linda be safe and protected.
Chris

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@artscaping

Good afternoon @bjbednarz. Thanks for explaining the dosage differences in results for Nortriptyline. I know less than nothing about pharmacology. However, I sure have been the subject of some mix-ups. I wondered if I should share my recent one. It is based just on my evaluation of body sensations after topical application of CBD:THC. Actually @helennicola, this might strike a bell with you. I have tried over the years to moderate my need for Rx medications and use only Medical Cannabis. I have found that for the itch......a rich THC dosage increases the sensation (itch). One with a rich CBD dosage has the effect of reducing or soothing the itch. This is true with the tincture as well as the topical. When I think back to the feelings of heightened perception at art shows and concerts......(when I was a wild child) this seemed somewhat similar.

I don't have an answer.....did you discuss this experience with your clinician before you set up your own pharmacy? (Just teasing you @bjbednarz ). @helennicola.....do you have any thoughts and experiences with the P&B balm?

May you both have happiness and the causes of happiness.
Chris

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Hi Chris, I have not as yet even tried the Thc-Cbd balm I purchased, have not as yet needed it so i’m sorry to say that I can’t be of any help. Helen

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@artscaping

Hi, Helen @helennicola and Hank (@fesfactsman........do you use tens unit, Helen? I used a tens unit for my back (35 yrs ago). It wasn't much good then but I was close to the tolerance limit for surgery. Maybe I should try it again. Think they might have improved in 35 years...huh? Please make a recommendation and I will let Santa know it is on my list.

May you have peace and ease.
Chris

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I have a tens unit I’ve tried off and on for my neck and lower back; any relief I obtained was temporary so I no longer use it. I have found that the exercises I do at home do help so they’re part of my daily routine. Helen

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@artscaping

Greetings Hank, @jesfactsman. I checked out the Penguin Massager. I love penguins and their waddle so I ordered it. How does Linda use it? Does it have more than one setting? I guess I better wait till it gets here. Thanks for the suggestion. You try so very hard to fix, cure, help everyone, Hank. Remember.......everyone is different. I am a nature person.....organic, healthy food, natural medications, excercise, and for the brain, meditation, yoga, and mindfulness. I am innately hesitant about miracle machines or other extraneous utensils.

You are not beating a dead horse here.....you are just dealing with an "old" farm girl. I am, however, interested in what works for Linda as she travels along her own path. Do you ever think that maybe we sometimes jump on every possibility and change horses in
midstream too frequently? Some of these medications take days and weeks for the body to become comfortable with its reactions to the introduction of something new. And then some medications or other aids wear out their usefulness because we, as patients, are physically and mentally changing.

May you be safe and protected.
May Linda be safe and protected.
Chris

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@artscaping
We're not too high tech around here either Chris. We just try to live a healthy lifestyle in diet, exercise and good sleep as much as we can. Eat organically as much as we can and try to buy the best quality supplements that we can get our hands on. As for the Penguin, it has two settings (if I remember correctly -I have never used it myself) and I think Linda prefers the higher setting (more intense vibration). The massager is pretty good quality, lasts a long time. I actually bought 3 or 4 so if one broke we'd have backup, but Linda still uses the first one she started with. I hope it (or something) helps you Chris. You so deserve some relief. You certainly have put the requisite energy into getting some! Hank

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@artscaping

Wow....that is a surprise.....the ups and downs of the itch intensity controlled by a medication like Nortriptyline at 10 mg. I took that medication when I was first diagnosed with SFN (small fiber neuropathy). My bedtime dose was 50 mg and I truly believe it saved me from thoughts and deeds that were not in my best interests. I tapered off it last year because I felt that I was mentally in a much better place. I also substituted a night time tincture dose of medical cannabis.

I am really struggling right now......the itch starts at my finger tips with redness and inflammation (scratching) and then moves on up the back of my hand to the wrist and then on up to the elbow. It doesn’t seem like anything is helping except compression. So I wear compression sleeves and have just ordered compression gloves. I also have a dermatology appointment in January. She has seen the Harvard article so we will continue with our coping methodology.

Thank you for following up with me. I am very interested in your progress and hope you will continue our exchange.

May you have peace and contentment. (Please).
Chris

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How do you get medical cannabis? Is it different than what you can get over-the-counter.

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@bjbednarz

How do you get medical cannabis? Is it different than what you can get over-the-counter.

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Good evening @bjbednarz, Medical cannabis is dispersed from dispensaries where US Federal Law permits the sale of marijuana for an approved list of conditions. The product is from the cannabis or marijuana plant not from hemp. All products are produced under regulated conditions with controlled methods. Pain clinics and approved dispensaries offer patient education and assist with the selection of appropriate dosages and types of distribution. You can be pretty darn sure that you will receive a consistently performing product.

Where do you live? I will be happy to check out options for you. I use medical cannabis to calm myself when the "itch" is paying a visit. The topical and tincture I find most helpful for the neuropathic itch is one that is CBD rich not THC rich. That is often contrary to what some folks think. It is my experience however and may be a helpful hint.

May you be safe and protected from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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@artscaping

Good evening @bjbednarz, Medical cannabis is dispersed from dispensaries where US Federal Law permits the sale of marijuana for an approved list of conditions. The product is from the cannabis or marijuana plant not from hemp. All products are produced under regulated conditions with controlled methods. Pain clinics and approved dispensaries offer patient education and assist with the selection of appropriate dosages and types of distribution. You can be pretty darn sure that you will receive a consistently performing product.

Where do you live? I will be happy to check out options for you. I use medical cannabis to calm myself when the "itch" is paying a visit. The topical and tincture I find most helpful for the neuropathic itch is one that is CBD rich not THC rich. That is often contrary to what some folks think. It is my experience however and may be a helpful hint.

May you be safe and protected from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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Thank you for the information. The reason I ask about what you use is because I bought some CBD oil. It says pure hemp extract, THC free, 300mg per bottle. I put it in a little juice and took it internally for a while. I saw no change of any kind. But before I knew I was to take it internally, I rubbed some on a few itchy places, and the itching stopped, immediately. It only lasts a few hours, but, oh my goodness, some relief. I don't know anything about this kind of thing. I don't know if it's bad for me. The oil is messy, and I wonder if there is a better method of applying. It just blows my mind how quickly it stops the itching. What do you think? Oh, I live in Texas.

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@bjbednarz

Thank you for the information. The reason I ask about what you use is because I bought some CBD oil. It says pure hemp extract, THC free, 300mg per bottle. I put it in a little juice and took it internally for a while. I saw no change of any kind. But before I knew I was to take it internally, I rubbed some on a few itchy places, and the itching stopped, immediately. It only lasts a few hours, but, oh my goodness, some relief. I don't know anything about this kind of thing. I don't know if it's bad for me. The oil is messy, and I wonder if there is a better method of applying. It just blows my mind how quickly it stops the itching. What do you think? Oh, I live in Texas.

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Good evening @bjbednarz. Good for you. You tried something and analyzed the results. Unfortunately, you chose a hemp-based product. And a little THC acts as a kick-starter. I use a 3:1 topical for constant irritating pain and a 1:3 topical for acute pain. You can find good information on leafy.com. The difficulty is that you live in Texas and are limited to street level products. Without the regulated and controlled management of cannabis products, you take lots of chances. However, the results for you as a topical seem to be encouraging. Isn't it wonderful when you find something that works?

How is your stress level? Calmer? I just lived through the anticipation of some injections in my hip joint. They have been uncomfortable so I let fear grab hold of me and the itch attacked. You probably wouldn't believe the scratched areas on my arms and legs. NOT pretty. I didn't get to the compression sleeves and gloves in time so...will hide it all tomorrow. The injections were easy, breezy and I have eliminated another pain source for maybe a year or more.

I am trying to permit myself to indulge in some quality of life treatments. The next stop is the left thumb? January 3.......for that journey.

Good night for now........Chris

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Chris I feel your itch and have been to many drs for this. Finally found one that takes a interest.. I have been diax with Dermatitis Hepteformis a celiac diesase without the celiac... I am on a glutin free diet and taking dapsone 50 mg a day . OMG what a difference

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