Chronic Buttock Pain

Posted by paulkem @paulkem, May 11, 2023

I will do my best to keep this brief, but it is a long story. I have had pain in my buttocks, sometimes hips, groin, sacral area for 5 months, along with tingling in both legs and feet. The pain is most intense in the intergluteal cleft, the area where pressure is applied while sitting. My entire buttock region is sensitive to pressure. The pain in the sacral area comes and goes, and is best described as a burning pain. The majority of symptoms are on my left, but are also on the right side. The groin pain is most often "flashes" of burning.

My first diagnosis was hemorrhoids since the first symptom was burning bowel movements. The burning bowel movements stopped, but then the other buttock pain intensified. In mid January, I had x-rays of my pelvis taken.

"Mild osteophytosis and sclerosis of the SI joints suggesting mild osteoarthritis. There is mild to moderate multilevel degenerative disc disease and facet arthropathy of the lumbar spine most prominent from L4-S1."
The pain started to really focus on a specific spot on my left buttock. It even hurt to just gently rub my finger against.

When I would sit in a car, especially driving, my legs tingle quite severely and the burning pain in my sacrum intensifies. (this also happened when I lay on my back)

By Feb 17, I thought maybe it was ischial bursitis. My doctor prescribed me a short course of steroids, but no change. The next step was MRIs of my pelvis and lumbar region.

IMPRESSION: * At L5-S1, right central disc protrusion deforms the anterior thecal sac and may contact the traversing right S1 nerve root, but the nerve root is not displaced. * At L4-5, posterior annular tear and central disc protrusion are superimposed on circumferential disc bulge. Although this deforms the anterior thecal sac, there is no obvious neural impingement. * L3-4 posterior annular tear and circumferential disc bulge. No neural impingement.
The radiating nerve irritation is on the inside of my thigh, near where the inseam of a pant leg would be, but maybe a little farther on the back of the leg. Sometimes it will go beneath the knee. My ankles have been burning some as well. My feet are often cold.

It was getting to the point where the only position I could be comfortable is laying down. And the only time I could fully escape the pain was during sleep.

On Feb 27, my doctor (nurse practitioner) is stumped and started questioning whether the pain is mental. I ask if we can explore PT, and he refers me. He did note the disc degeneration in my MRI and said he could refer me to a pain management doctor for local injections. I have no idea how that process works and decide to proceed with the PT.

At this time, he had me try Cymbalta but I am pretty certain that it caused some severe insomnia so I stopped taking it after a few days. I was pretty stressed at this time due to an upcoming colonoscopy. The NP continued to question whether this was anxiety or psychosomatic. I had to start taking sleep aids.
PT started on Mar 8. I was excited to get in front of someone who knew more details of the nerves/muscles/spine, and someone who would listen to me. Upon evaluation for the severe pain in the spot in my left buttock, the PT determined that the connection of my hamstring to my pelvis had become frayed or damaged. Certain actions of my hamstring triggered intense pain.  We started exercises that focused on the hamstring. We talked about some of the tingling but didn't really address it much. He thought it may have been due to the lack of sleep.

The PT was definitely helping the intense pain spot. I do not recall the level of pain in the rest of the buttock area.

My colonoscopy was on Mar 14 and the results were fine. The few days after this was the only time since late December that I actually felt normal. Then, on Mar 18, I started having neck pain. My PT could not help me with the neck issue at this time since the order was for the buttock pain. Sleep is the only place I could fully escape, so I started sleeping A LOT.  At certain times of the day, after I have been upright for a time, I would just have this "sinking" feeling like my entire spine was collapsing. I tried heat, NSAIDs, Apsercreme, nothing really worked well. 
Mar 29 was the last day of PT for the specific spot on my buttock. PT performed the same actions as on day 1 and the pain in that spot was no longer triggered. I visited a doctor about my neck. He felt my neck and said that I felt tight (and was sore) on the left side. He said to try more naproxen or ibuprofen. I mentioned the seat and leg pain, and he said to try the gabapentin at night again. I told him my PT said he could help if I had a new order, but he would want x-rays since I told him I knew my neck as deformed (I have autofused vertebrae from birth).

During this time, my neck was my biggest misery, with the other issues still present.
I messaged my doctor again and asked about the buttock and leg issues. He said he could refer me to pain management for injections in my back. I asked him if the assumption then was that this leg tingling is related to my back and he said "he feels that is most likely the cause". I then asked if it would make sense to talk to someone in ortho/neuro about my MRI and symptoms before pursuing the injections.I was referred to an Ortho. While making the appointment, I had to choose what area I wanted to treat.

At that time, my neck was most bothersome, so I started there. During the first visit, I did not see the doctor, but an NP. We looked at my imaging and talked about my neck, the autofused vertebrae, the disc degeneration. I asked some questions about my buttock issue. She suggested that maybe it was an SI joint issue and once again, it was suggested that I visit pain management for injections. She said we could try Celebrex to see if that helped any first. She tested my reflexes and since I was hyperreflexive, ordered a neck MRI and follow up. Two weeks later, I had the MRI and follow-up, this time with the doctor. The issue in my buttocks had intensified, and the neck pain was more intermittent. The doctor said I was not a candidate for surgery on my neck and was experiencing what millions of others are experiencing regarding disc degeneration. He asked what I had tried so far. I said just OTC NSAIDs. He said the next step is PT. As is typical, he was very rushed and I tried to ask questions about my buttock pain, but was not really allowed to get into as much depth as I would have liked. In the end, he added the "lumbar" issue to my PT order.

I started PT again last week. Even after just two sessions, my neck is quite a bit better. I had some very tight muscles in my shoulder region that he was able to loosen up, and has been doing some very light manual traction. He did some provocative tests on my SI, and while not conclusive, there were some results that pointed to an issue. He said that he has only treated SI joint issues a handful of times, and did not think that they often were accompanied with the leg nerve pain.  He gave me an SI belt yesterday and said that I should start noticing a difference by the end of the night. I have been wearing it since, and really have not noticed much change yet. It does seem to make me more stable while walking, but the buttock pain while sitting, and at least some level of tingling is still there. I am trying to give it time, even though he said the impact should be noticeable quickly. Honestly, he seems stumped. I trust him very much, and he seems dedicated to trying to help me, but he wants to go down the path of the source just being sitting too much, and I do not think that is the case. I have made an appointment with another PT in town that offers a free consultation to get his take. I have also made an appointment with a massage therapist. 
The Celebrex does not seem to be doing anything.

I have been trying to get some clarification from the ortho NP who talked to me the most about my buttocks, but the office is very slow to reply and I only get replies from the nurse assistant and don't even know if my questions are being seen by the NP.

As much as I hate needles, I am not opposed to injections, if we know what needs to be injected. But I would prefer to FIX the issue rather than cover it up.  I did get a referral to Pain Management but have not had an appointment set yet.

The last 5 months have been miserable. I am not performing to the level I should be at work or home. I am thankful that I work from home and have flexibility. It is still the worst while driving and I rarely go anywhere anymore. I have missed out on so much, including time with my family. I am wiped out by 5:00 pm and am often in bed by 7:00 or 8:00. Relief from the neck pain is helping, but I cannot escape the buttock pain.

Can anyone provide any insight? Does this sound like an issue with my SI joint? Could those protrusions mentioned on my MRI be the issue?  I am so desperate for answers I don't know where to go.

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@bebold

Thanks Tony. Ditto!
Comparison is the thief of joy.

We all here have been thru it right? The ones who do well don't come here. So when I go to a site about CRPS, I know I'm hearing the worse case senarios and then I see a parent of a 13 yo thinking we are average. I'm always there to tell the parents there is hope. There is treatment when first diagnosed. Its true, a dr put a SCS in a teen like 3 months into her dx. There's no place to go from there.

I do take LDN (low dose naltrexone - very different than the 50mg people take coming off drugs - if you've never heard of it. Its an antiinflammatory but you can't take it with any opioids do clearly not near surgery. Its also a very long treatment. Life for me and many. There is quite a bit about it here if you need more info.

I am looking at the 3 week Mayo Pain rehab mostly because they don't do test to diagnose or try to treat.

I just need to be able to cope better - until my hip of course which I do want diagnosed. If its my back, ill learn to live with it. One doc says fusion but at almost 70, living alone, medicare doesn't really pay for much except a bath. And a fusion can fix the instability but already so much scar tissue I don't know it would do that much and it would have to be from L2-S1. Too much. I ned to improve my coping again. I hear tho that some go to the Mayo PRC in a chair and walk out 3 weeks later. A lot of work but I'm game!

I recently bought a wheelchair and trying (don't want to!) adjust. My age is catching up and some of us have an early start huh? When is your surgery? Are you alone, married, kids nearby?
Till later, betty

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I’m fortunate and blessed with a healthy wife 76, 52 years married.
I have requested a date for surgery and am waiting to hear.
Working on exercises to strengthen the core.
Need a EMG for carpel tunnel on left hand, next.
Be well and keep the faith you are in my prayers.
Tony

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@tony1946

I’m fortunate and blessed with a healthy wife 76, 52 years married.
I have requested a date for surgery and am waiting to hear.
Working on exercises to strengthen the core.
Need a EMG for carpel tunnel on left hand, next.
Be well and keep the faith you are in my prayers.
Tony

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I did the surgery, carpal tunnel on both wrists. Successfully. Wasn't so bad esp compared to what we go thru here. Best of luck. I'm working on three trigger fingers! We have complex bodies. 👍🏼😁

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@bebold

I did the surgery, carpal tunnel on both wrists. Successfully. Wasn't so bad esp compared to what we go thru here. Best of luck. I'm working on three trigger fingers! We have complex bodies. 👍🏼😁

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Thank you that’s helpful

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@bebold

Hi @dlydailyhope
I'm sorry for your predicament too. I'm guessing you have applied or got ssi/ssdi? It can take a while but you have a growing boy who I bet can eat you out of house and home! Definitely hard to raise and keep up I'm guessing a "taxi service" to get him to-ing and fro-ing. All this average stuff when you have a teen but there is no average when in constant pain. I'm guessing tho your limits might be already beyond expectations at this point.

Although it would be good to have someone to talk to, young teens, in general, might be very different with your son since he grew up with more reasons to flex his empathy muscle than most.

I've had steroid injections in my hips, knee, wrist, all for bursitis but my pain is really in the fatty, fleshy part of my butt, posterior closer to the iliac crest. An Ortho surgeon I saw, didn't even examine me. Would even look at where I said the pain was insyead said it was "probably" an SI "strain" and wanted to inject me there. Insert a SCS without a definite dx.

I have read that numbing med can be injected into my gluteus muscle and if the pain stops, that's it! Id probably be up for that as diagnostic? Decades ago I did all the nerve blocks etc to avoid subsequent surgery but to no avail.

I'm glad you are getting some relief while waiting for a good time to do it, but like with Tony, there are some symptoms that can get worse and more permanent nerve damage by waiting. Rock and a hard place. Unless they can see a torn muscle that needs to be stitched or something to be able to walk, I'm avoiding any surgery and well tho I definitely had tons of back pain (I've been in and out of PT, mostly in, for 2 years. I see a chronic illness psychologist who is also trauma informed. I'm really thankful to also make myself afford good insurance, medicare supplement, when I turned 65.
I also have Hashimotos. I'm curious about 100 of gaba at hs which is not even close to anything therapeutic. It did make me pretty sleepy and I never got up to a therapeutic dose and I tried to switch from lamictal as I started getting hypomanic with the switch.
Its known that folks with traumas histories frequently have chronic pain from physical trauma plus our cortisone and adrenaline levels have never been normal. I have central sensitization so I know my body already feels all pain in esp my trunk as higher up in thd pain scale than others tho some hear that at even Mayo pain rehab I've read, as "not real, all in your head." Which is furthest from the truth. My pain receptors are kicked up a notch but like most or all of us here, we have a high pain tolerance.

An interesting mix of I feel it harder and I tolerate more which could cancel each other out.

You are in a tough spot to be responsible for a younger one as opposed to just my cat - who is feeling less loved but also seems to know when to sleep touching me...she has never done that before!

Well I've list my was so aboit that I woke today to an eye infection under my lid so I'm trying to get an eye dr appt for today. File under "always something."

What makes you think its SI niw. Is that where they are injecting. Have you been able to get -or do you feel you don't need - a 2nd opinion.

I just realized last nighf I first saw a dr two weeks after my fall but it was late March! 3 months, no diagnosis, no dr. Yep, as Tony said, absurd. I may go dump myself back into the original ortho's lap as it was a hip guy in his practice who refused to even see me. See what he says next. Either way, nobody injects me without fluoroscopy so they know where they are going. Someone who does many a day without it being a pain person, but like you, walking gets harder every day. Wishing that the injections continue to help. I have a friend with a paraformis issue who gets botox injections 4 times a year with success. Lidocaine injections can help narrow down the origin of the pain.

Where ars they injecting you? What do they say is the issue? Your back? Like me tho the pain might be different than normal back pain.
For profit medical treatment means less treatment and less staff and supplies (or local hospital had no PCP during the pandemic. Barely even masks unless they provided their own, as regardless, the stock holders needs and 2nd and 3rd homes and huge bonuses at the end if the year for the hospital CEOs for keeping costs down, profits up. Well see what happens here when they can't accept medicare/medicaid anymore. (Tho many published articles and lawsuits, lots of illegal cahoots with government local and state, probably Federal as HCA is a huge entity buying up hospitals and private practices. I just found out my vet was bought out by a corporation. Staff and hours hugely cut! People leaving. Never works in our, our pets, our families best interest. Sorry to go off the rales, I may edit later. 😁👍🏼

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@bebold
I got my hip MRI report back today! I have gluteal tendinopathy and high grade hamstring partial tears on both right and left hips!!! Explains a lot of the pain that is NOT tied to my lumbar spine! I’m not sure what causes this and when but no doctor EVER suggested looking at my hips! Since I have had this pain for some time, I may need debridement surgery to repair the long standing tears and then PT. Some sites suggest PT may be enough but when I read a report from Massachusetts General Hospital, it mentioned that long term tears may do better with surgery then PT. I will go back to the Orthopedic doctor and see what they suggest as next steps. I believe an orthopedic surgeon can repair the hamstring tears but wonder if they would have to do them separately or if they can do them at the same time.

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Did you find relief? An answer?

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I had alot of the same issues. I had the buttocks pain which really, really caused me distress. After many tests, meds, PT etc, my pain management Doctor(for other reasons) found a PT that specialized in pelvic floor therapy. This therapist was amazing and helped so very much, some of the therapies are quite stranged, but it worked. I have had no further issues. I do sit at my job all day, and I am a female who has had children, and complete hysterectomy (nothing left in there) I don't know if you are male or female, but my pelvic floor was very weak I guess. She did dry needling, massage, ultrasound therapy, etc. I dont know if any of this would help you, but you never know. I also invested in a very good office chair and cushion, did all the ergonomic adjustments and make sure I get up, walk around and stretch regularly also. The PT says that sitting all day is havoc on our entire bodies. Hope this helps, best of luck to you.

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My husband has similar pelvic pain. He has constipation issues. From my observation, his pain problems correlate with days of not having bowel movements. This is only anecdotal. We plan to discuss with his doctor next visit. He currently uses Miralax (suggested by her) sporadically.

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I’ve had chronic neck, lumbar, SI and buttock pain similar to yours my entire adult life. Diagnoses include EDS, Cervical Dystonia & spondylitis. Lumbar nerve ablation last year made my buttock pain completely go away (after a ridiculous number of decades of avoiding long trips, using standing desks etc).

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@abaker25

My husband has similar pelvic pain. He has constipation issues. From my observation, his pain problems correlate with days of not having bowel movements. This is only anecdotal. We plan to discuss with his doctor next visit. He currently uses Miralax (suggested by her) sporadically.

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My PCP recommended Magnesium Oxide for severe constipation. It helps. On days, where it is not bad, I do the Miralax.

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