Chronic Buttock Pain

Posted by paulkem @paulkem, May 11, 2023

I will do my best to keep this brief, but it is a long story. I have had pain in my buttocks, sometimes hips, groin, sacral area for 5 months, along with tingling in both legs and feet. The pain is most intense in the intergluteal cleft, the area where pressure is applied while sitting. My entire buttock region is sensitive to pressure. The pain in the sacral area comes and goes, and is best described as a burning pain. The majority of symptoms are on my left, but are also on the right side. The groin pain is most often "flashes" of burning.

My first diagnosis was hemorrhoids since the first symptom was burning bowel movements. The burning bowel movements stopped, but then the other buttock pain intensified. In mid January, I had x-rays of my pelvis taken.

"Mild osteophytosis and sclerosis of the SI joints suggesting mild osteoarthritis. There is mild to moderate multilevel degenerative disc disease and facet arthropathy of the lumbar spine most prominent from L4-S1."
The pain started to really focus on a specific spot on my left buttock. It even hurt to just gently rub my finger against.

When I would sit in a car, especially driving, my legs tingle quite severely and the burning pain in my sacrum intensifies. (this also happened when I lay on my back)

By Feb 17, I thought maybe it was ischial bursitis. My doctor prescribed me a short course of steroids, but no change. The next step was MRIs of my pelvis and lumbar region.

IMPRESSION: * At L5-S1, right central disc protrusion deforms the anterior thecal sac and may contact the traversing right S1 nerve root, but the nerve root is not displaced. * At L4-5, posterior annular tear and central disc protrusion are superimposed on circumferential disc bulge. Although this deforms the anterior thecal sac, there is no obvious neural impingement. * L3-4 posterior annular tear and circumferential disc bulge. No neural impingement.
The radiating nerve irritation is on the inside of my thigh, near where the inseam of a pant leg would be, but maybe a little farther on the back of the leg. Sometimes it will go beneath the knee. My ankles have been burning some as well. My feet are often cold.

It was getting to the point where the only position I could be comfortable is laying down. And the only time I could fully escape the pain was during sleep.

On Feb 27, my doctor (nurse practitioner) is stumped and started questioning whether the pain is mental. I ask if we can explore PT, and he refers me. He did note the disc degeneration in my MRI and said he could refer me to a pain management doctor for local injections. I have no idea how that process works and decide to proceed with the PT.

At this time, he had me try Cymbalta but I am pretty certain that it caused some severe insomnia so I stopped taking it after a few days. I was pretty stressed at this time due to an upcoming colonoscopy. The NP continued to question whether this was anxiety or psychosomatic. I had to start taking sleep aids.
PT started on Mar 8. I was excited to get in front of someone who knew more details of the nerves/muscles/spine, and someone who would listen to me. Upon evaluation for the severe pain in the spot in my left buttock, the PT determined that the connection of my hamstring to my pelvis had become frayed or damaged. Certain actions of my hamstring triggered intense pain.  We started exercises that focused on the hamstring. We talked about some of the tingling but didn't really address it much. He thought it may have been due to the lack of sleep.

The PT was definitely helping the intense pain spot. I do not recall the level of pain in the rest of the buttock area.

My colonoscopy was on Mar 14 and the results were fine. The few days after this was the only time since late December that I actually felt normal. Then, on Mar 18, I started having neck pain. My PT could not help me with the neck issue at this time since the order was for the buttock pain. Sleep is the only place I could fully escape, so I started sleeping A LOT.  At certain times of the day, after I have been upright for a time, I would just have this "sinking" feeling like my entire spine was collapsing. I tried heat, NSAIDs, Apsercreme, nothing really worked well. 
Mar 29 was the last day of PT for the specific spot on my buttock. PT performed the same actions as on day 1 and the pain in that spot was no longer triggered. I visited a doctor about my neck. He felt my neck and said that I felt tight (and was sore) on the left side. He said to try more naproxen or ibuprofen. I mentioned the seat and leg pain, and he said to try the gabapentin at night again. I told him my PT said he could help if I had a new order, but he would want x-rays since I told him I knew my neck as deformed (I have autofused vertebrae from birth).

During this time, my neck was my biggest misery, with the other issues still present.
I messaged my doctor again and asked about the buttock and leg issues. He said he could refer me to pain management for injections in my back. I asked him if the assumption then was that this leg tingling is related to my back and he said "he feels that is most likely the cause". I then asked if it would make sense to talk to someone in ortho/neuro about my MRI and symptoms before pursuing the injections.I was referred to an Ortho. While making the appointment, I had to choose what area I wanted to treat.

At that time, my neck was most bothersome, so I started there. During the first visit, I did not see the doctor, but an NP. We looked at my imaging and talked about my neck, the autofused vertebrae, the disc degeneration. I asked some questions about my buttock issue. She suggested that maybe it was an SI joint issue and once again, it was suggested that I visit pain management for injections. She said we could try Celebrex to see if that helped any first. She tested my reflexes and since I was hyperreflexive, ordered a neck MRI and follow up. Two weeks later, I had the MRI and follow-up, this time with the doctor. The issue in my buttocks had intensified, and the neck pain was more intermittent. The doctor said I was not a candidate for surgery on my neck and was experiencing what millions of others are experiencing regarding disc degeneration. He asked what I had tried so far. I said just OTC NSAIDs. He said the next step is PT. As is typical, he was very rushed and I tried to ask questions about my buttock pain, but was not really allowed to get into as much depth as I would have liked. In the end, he added the "lumbar" issue to my PT order.

I started PT again last week. Even after just two sessions, my neck is quite a bit better. I had some very tight muscles in my shoulder region that he was able to loosen up, and has been doing some very light manual traction. He did some provocative tests on my SI, and while not conclusive, there were some results that pointed to an issue. He said that he has only treated SI joint issues a handful of times, and did not think that they often were accompanied with the leg nerve pain.  He gave me an SI belt yesterday and said that I should start noticing a difference by the end of the night. I have been wearing it since, and really have not noticed much change yet. It does seem to make me more stable while walking, but the buttock pain while sitting, and at least some level of tingling is still there. I am trying to give it time, even though he said the impact should be noticeable quickly. Honestly, he seems stumped. I trust him very much, and he seems dedicated to trying to help me, but he wants to go down the path of the source just being sitting too much, and I do not think that is the case. I have made an appointment with another PT in town that offers a free consultation to get his take. I have also made an appointment with a massage therapist. 
The Celebrex does not seem to be doing anything.

I have been trying to get some clarification from the ortho NP who talked to me the most about my buttocks, but the office is very slow to reply and I only get replies from the nurse assistant and don't even know if my questions are being seen by the NP.

As much as I hate needles, I am not opposed to injections, if we know what needs to be injected. But I would prefer to FIX the issue rather than cover it up.  I did get a referral to Pain Management but have not had an appointment set yet.

The last 5 months have been miserable. I am not performing to the level I should be at work or home. I am thankful that I work from home and have flexibility. It is still the worst while driving and I rarely go anywhere anymore. I have missed out on so much, including time with my family. I am wiped out by 5:00 pm and am often in bed by 7:00 or 8:00. Relief from the neck pain is helping, but I cannot escape the buttock pain.

Can anyone provide any insight? Does this sound like an issue with my SI joint? Could those protrusions mentioned on my MRI be the issue?  I am so desperate for answers I don't know where to go.

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@jen292

Hi Gaylerenee,
How did they test your pudendal nerve? Anesthetic injection?
Thanks,
Jennifer

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It was with an EMG if I understood correctly. But after many years with chronic pain I really think it is all tied in with my low back pain. It is all only on only the left side: tail bone pain, SIJ pain, sciatic pain, hip pain and pudental nerve (burning pain). I now have a spinal cord stimulator and it helps tremendously. Best wishes to you.

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Did you get help? I can't sit without feeling like I'm sitting on swollen buttocks. It's getting worse and is unbearable.

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Check the Budapest criteria for CRPS, (Complex Regional Pain Syndrome). See what question you answer positive. It is from nerve damage. The symptoms you describe are from nerve damage. This disease may start anywhere and go anywhere not just a limp. What you describe is part of what I experience. Not so easy to find a doctor who knows any thing. Do not believe everything you read on google on this. I see you tried Cymbalta and stopped. Smart move to not take it. Gabapentin and Lyrica, (pregablin) are two others two stay off of. Although most doctors will shove them at you. They are vicious and destructive, but do help some without side effects. I just warn you because of your reaction to Cymbalta. If you do check out for CRPS, there is a positive group on Facebook that will have answers. Should you need the name respond and I will give it to you. Stay far away from negative groups with nerve damage. There are posts in here on CRPS. As I mentioned, I have the same in my rear end. It is in both legs. I cannot sleep flat on my back because I have a spinal cord stimulator that pushes on my spine at my waist that the doctor will not remove. SCS are a last resort treatment. Be sure to get others input on all treatments you try both good and not so good experiences. The positive group on face book has answers for you that are well screened before being allowed to post/comment in the group. Most neurologists are not very helpful with nerve damage. Many doctors do not know anything about this disease or how to treat it. I was diagnosed by an old time Rheumy who knew his business and took his time with you. Hours long appointment to compassionately help. I have a naturopath now. She listens, believes, actually cares , helps, and her staff and office respond to urgent needs within minutes day or night. Non urgent is the same day. I got lucky with this doctor. She does prescribe opioids, but you have to show function improvement without too may side effects. Try water PT or get moving in the pool. I did five strokes last July. I can do forty laps today. The water classes, yoga, and chair exercises have saved my life. People are amazed. You have nothing to lose trying it. Keep moving daily. You said the PT is helping. Do not stop going. Ask for more sessions. Please update when you can. I care.

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This is a late post so please ignore if your situation is improved.

When I was in my early 50s, I had laminotomies at L4, L5, S1. The L5/S1 disc had ruptured and pieces were in the spinal canal, and I have stenosis and scoliosis. I couldn't stand for more than a few minutes and the pain was in my buttocks and the back of my right leg. It was miserable.

The laminotomies consisted of the surgeon drilling holes in each vertebra, removing the ruptured disc pieces, and removing the arthritic bone growth in my spinal canal, which was putting pressure on the nerve bundles. This worked well, I'm 69 now and going strong. I exercise to keep my core strong and my surgeon tells me that a strong core is all that holds my lumbar spine together. Exercise and conditioning are very important.

The first surgeonI saw would only do a fusion(s) and I got a second opinion. The second surgeon said a fusion was the optimal answer, but I didn't want fusion and he said he could try the laminotomies and, worst case, I'd need to get the discs fused. Hasn't happened and it's well over 10 years since the surgery.

I moved and have a new spine surgeon. He looked at the new X-rays and was amazed that I was walking. I am in the gym everyday and work with a trainer on, well everything but especially the core. And the core contains about 30 muscles so it's best to work with a trainer who knows kinesiology.

No two cases are alike. I do hope you are better and have found some relief. If not, I hope my experience helps.

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Hi, Paulkem: I am having very similar buttock/hamstring/pelvic/leg pain, and have gotten nowhere with 3 different PTs and 2 orthopedists. Could you PLEASE tell me how the frayed/damaged connection of hamstring to pelvis was diagnosed? I feel strongly that there is a hamstring tendon or ligament problem wreaking havoc, in addition to the lumbar spinal stenosis that could also be causing my nerve pain.

Also, could you please tell me what an SI belt is?

Thanks for any info you can provide.

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I have had similar issues. I currently have a torn hamstring, bone damage at the ischial tuberosity. I also found out I have a congenital anomaly. I have an additional "vertebrae" at the base of my spine. It isn't fused and does not have the buffers of the other vertebrae. That is a reason some have the fusion done. Accidents, such as hard falls on the "sitz bones" can cause some damage, but I imagine some differences occur do to the incompleteness of the segment fusing.

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May be a long shot but I had pain in buttocks and tendonitis in my right leg that would cause right leg to go num when driving (accelerator foot). My orthopedic suggested Platelet Rich Plasma instead of surgery. Using your own blood to heal yourself really appealed to me. Nothing can be used to fight inflammation because the platelets release chemicals that call other healing cells to the area. This causes an inflammatory response. I also used in on top of both my feet to relieve arthritis with great success. No down time. Walked out after both times I had it. Minimal discomfort. Done with ultrasound for guidance to affected area. The numbing and PRP shots can be a little uncomfortable, but no more, or as much, as cortisone shots.
Definitely worth looking into. Not sure all orthopedic doctors perform it. Not always covered by insurance, but not horribly expensive.

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@jaylee

May be a long shot but I had pain in buttocks and tendonitis in my right leg that would cause right leg to go num when driving (accelerator foot). My orthopedic suggested Platelet Rich Plasma instead of surgery. Using your own blood to heal yourself really appealed to me. Nothing can be used to fight inflammation because the platelets release chemicals that call other healing cells to the area. This causes an inflammatory response. I also used in on top of both my feet to relieve arthritis with great success. No down time. Walked out after both times I had it. Minimal discomfort. Done with ultrasound for guidance to affected area. The numbing and PRP shots can be a little uncomfortable, but no more, or as much, as cortisone shots.
Definitely worth looking into. Not sure all orthopedic doctors perform it. Not always covered by insurance, but not horribly expensive.

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Interesting. I have 2 tendon tears in the right hip (MRI) and pain down the leg. Now left hip hurts but no pain down the leg. I have been told only treatment for me would be prp injection and trying to determine if it is worth the cost as Medicare will not pay for it.

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I hope you’ve got help by now, I’ve been thru similar stuff. With the tailbone pain did anyone ever mention a Pelvic Therapist? Not many around that work on men since it is internal it’s not helped all the nerves but she worked some that helped so far.

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@hkjp

Interesting. I have 2 tendon tears in the right hip (MRI) and pain down the leg. Now left hip hurts but no pain down the leg. I have been told only treatment for me would be prp injection and trying to determine if it is worth the cost as Medicare will not pay for it.

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I'm surprised the torn tendons can't be repaired via surgery. Have you looked into this? It must be terribly painful, Sorry friend.....

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