Should I have temporal biopsy for GCA even after 8 weeks prednisone?

Posted by sophies @sophies, Mar 9 11:46am

I was diagnosed with PMR eight weeks ago. Sed rate was only 32 and CRP was 12. I started prednisone at 20MG for 1 week, then 15 MG for 19 days then 12.5mg for another 19 days as advised by my primary care DR. Now I have finally gotten in to see rheumatologist but I have concern about temporal headaches. Unfortunately, I cannot remember if they started before the prednisone. Anyway, Rheumatologist wants to check for GCA with biopsy and I would rather less invasive ultrasound. According to what I have read, it would seem that both tests would be compromised because of steroid use. And, with negative results, do you take a chance and believe there is no GCA? I don't currently have any otherGCA symptoms. Any thoughts or advice would be so appreciated.

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@ropnrose

I received my first Actemra infusion in January 2025. I started feeling better about 3 weeks after it. I get them every 4 weeks. I can honestly say that I feel GREAT now. Still wake up with minor aches, but they're manageable. I am now on 9 mg. of pred. will step down to 8 in 2 weeks. I feel as good as I've felt, since before PMR. I was always VERY active. I have 3 golf t-times this week. I've riden my e-bike anywhere from 8-24 miles. I feel like I'm 'back'.

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I'm at a similar point in my treatment. I started Actemra injections in August 2024. I'll start taking 6 mg of prednisone tomorrow. The difference between 60 mg and less than 10 is really amazing. I'm like you, where I feel as good as I did before PMR, which was almost 2 years ago. I'm jogging 30 minutes every other day mixed in with walking. Plus I'm sleeping really well, which wasn't happening since the start of PMR and GCA.

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@dlb3

In October 2023 I was diagnosed with GCA after 42 days of headaches. I was put on 60 mg of prednisone for a month. The headaches stopped. I also have PMR. We continued with a very slow taper of prednisone until I was able to stop completely in June 2024. My rheumatologist diagnosed GCA initially without a biopsy or ultrasound. My personal thoughts are if you’re still having headaches, you might need to be on a stronger dose of prednisone for awhile.

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Can you tell me what the headaches were like? Were they all day long? Did you take any OTC pain reliever ? How are you doing now? No flares or relapse?

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I am a person that rarely gets headaches, so I was quite surprised when the headaches came on and lasted all day long I started taking maximum doses of extra strength, rapid release Tylenol, which did nothing. First Step was to my general practitioner. He gave me some migraine medicine that did not help. He then referred me to a rheumatologist who diagnosed me with GCA. . I did not have a biopsy or an ultrasound. But did have a brain CT scan. Dr. took one look at me saw that my temporal arteries were swollen. I had jaw pain & scalp pain, I was very fortunate that my vision was not affected, Doctor said “I know what is wrong with you” he put me on prednisone and within three days the headaches stopped. They have never returned. I had to continue on the prednisone for the polymyalgia pain . However I was on prednisone for eight months and was able to get down to 0 mg by June 2024 with no help from Actemra. The headaches have never returned🙏

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When I was first diagnosed with PMR I had symptoms of headaches and blurred double vision. My Rheumatologist immediately put me on 60 mg of Prednisone suspecting that I had GCA. After that, I did have the temporal biopsy which I feel is an invasive procedure, but I felt it was necessary as well since my PMR pain was off the charts. Personally, the consequences of blindness was a risk I was not willing to take, and that is why I had the biopsy done. Reading your concerns the only thing that I was thinking about was why your doctor put you on such a low dose of Prednisone? Even when I researched the dosage for Prednisone for GCA it states mostly the 60 mg dose. Some info does say 40 - 60 mgs, but I was glad that my doctor was proactive in treating me aggressively at the time. The second question that I have would be how long have you been experiencing temporal headaches? My Rheumatologist told me that GCA needs to be treated within 10 days of onset of symptoms, otherwise, it could lead to blindness. What are your thoughts on this?

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Personally, I wouldn't BUT go by your doctor's recommendation. I had a double after being on Prednisone for a few months at the insistence of my Rheumatologist, despite being gently steered away from it by the vascular surgeon immediately prior to the procedure. The vascular surgeon indicated that not only can long term Prednisone use effect the result but the fact that a biopsy only tells whether GCA is present in that particular section(s) of temporal arteries makes the biopsy(ies) inaccurate. But hey I now have two Frankenstein type scars on my temples, which makes for a great Halloween costume 🙂

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@joan7

When I was first diagnosed with PMR I had symptoms of headaches and blurred double vision. My Rheumatologist immediately put me on 60 mg of Prednisone suspecting that I had GCA. After that, I did have the temporal biopsy which I feel is an invasive procedure, but I felt it was necessary as well since my PMR pain was off the charts. Personally, the consequences of blindness was a risk I was not willing to take, and that is why I had the biopsy done. Reading your concerns the only thing that I was thinking about was why your doctor put you on such a low dose of Prednisone? Even when I researched the dosage for Prednisone for GCA it states mostly the 60 mg dose. Some info does say 40 - 60 mgs, but I was glad that my doctor was proactive in treating me aggressively at the time. The second question that I have would be how long have you been experiencing temporal headaches? My Rheumatologist told me that GCA needs to be treated within 10 days of onset of symptoms, otherwise, it could lead to blindness. What are your thoughts on this?

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I was originally diagnosed with PMR on Feb, 17th , 2025 after my complaints of stiffness and headaches and muscle pain which my PCP thought was related to my starting a statin. Finally, I got in to see him and told him I would not take statin any longer because I hurt everywhere and that's when he did blood tests for PMR and RA, etc. He decided I had PMR and set the dose of Prednisone at 20 MG,,,,I made appointment to see Rheumatologist but never got in until 7 weeks later. I agreed to ultrasound which I just had this past Friday and was NEGATIVE. Rheumatologist just lowered me to 15MG prednisone....Headaches have been better these last 3 days, but I carry 40 MG with me just in case.

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@sophies

I was originally diagnosed with PMR on Feb, 17th , 2025 after my complaints of stiffness and headaches and muscle pain which my PCP thought was related to my starting a statin. Finally, I got in to see him and told him I would not take statin any longer because I hurt everywhere and that's when he did blood tests for PMR and RA, etc. He decided I had PMR and set the dose of Prednisone at 20 MG,,,,I made appointment to see Rheumatologist but never got in until 7 weeks later. I agreed to ultrasound which I just had this past Friday and was NEGATIVE. Rheumatologist just lowered me to 15MG prednisone....Headaches have been better these last 3 days, but I carry 40 MG with me just in case.

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I wish I knew about the ultrasound because at least that is not invasive. They didn't give me that option unfortunately. Glad to hear your results came back negative. Sound like your on the right track. Best of luck.

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@joan7

I wish I knew about the ultrasound because at least that is not invasive. They didn't give me that option unfortunately. Glad to hear your results came back negative. Sound like your on the right track. Best of luck.

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Medical profession doesn't necessarily think of the patient....they think of TESTS! I did the research. The school of thought now is that MRI, ultrasound, PET scan etc can be as informative as biopsy and less invasive for patient. For anyone reading this and having to have a biopsy, instead of main temporal artery biopsy, I read that the parietal branch of the temporal artery is much more safe ( not close to facial nerve) and less disfiguring for patient. Ask your care team about it

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@dlb3

I am a person that rarely gets headaches, so I was quite surprised when the headaches came on and lasted all day long I started taking maximum doses of extra strength, rapid release Tylenol, which did nothing. First Step was to my general practitioner. He gave me some migraine medicine that did not help. He then referred me to a rheumatologist who diagnosed me with GCA. . I did not have a biopsy or an ultrasound. But did have a brain CT scan. Dr. took one look at me saw that my temporal arteries were swollen. I had jaw pain & scalp pain, I was very fortunate that my vision was not affected, Doctor said “I know what is wrong with you” he put me on prednisone and within three days the headaches stopped. They have never returned. I had to continue on the prednisone for the polymyalgia pain . However I was on prednisone for eight months and was able to get down to 0 mg by June 2024 with no help from Actemra. The headaches have never returned🙏

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So happy for you that your GCA resolved so completely and quickly.....others are not so lucky.
Best wishes for your continuing good health!

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@joan7

I wish I knew about the ultrasound because at least that is not invasive. They didn't give me that option unfortunately. Glad to hear your results came back negative. Sound like your on the right track. Best of luck.

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You have to be proactive and look into things yourself....that's what I did.

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