Secondary adrenal insufficiency question

Posted by potterywoman @potterywoman, 4 days ago

After being on prednisone for a couple years for PMR, I went off a couple of years ago with no problems. I had a flare in the late winter, and my rheumatologist put me on prednisone again. I was tapering when I saw him at my annual visit in April, and he slowed the taper a bit. I was off about a month beforewas starting to noticing slight fatigue and worsening of my osteoarthritis, especially in my hands. I gradually cut down my activity level. About 3 weeks ago, I had a day with extreme vertigo which at the time I (background in gerontology) and a friend (retired physician) both thought it was a UTI which does present with vertigo in older adults like myself. It got better but didn't resolve, so I went for testing. I drank water before the test and felt a lot better so I went to the bakeshop and bought bread before walking home about a block. All of a sudden, my legs felt like they were logs, my heart started pounding, and I almost passed out but made it home. By coincidence, I had made another appointment with my rheumatologist to examine my quickly swelling fingers. He tested my CRP and ESR, which were both much higher than they had been at my annual visit From an initial 2 mg, he now has me on 5 for what is most likely secondary adrenal insufficiency. My question is for anyone who has experienced this secondary problem -- what was your journey back like? How long did it take you to feel better after you started on cortisone again and did you gradually get to where you could be active and travel some? Thanks

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I want info about that program by GP, pharmacist and nutritionist, too.

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Hello @emct. Do have a look at my reply to @p0rtia

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I could @p0rtia but much of it is very specific to me and my needs and my health issues - so I feel it would be irresponsible to share specific supplements etc on here.

But here are some general elements of the programme:
- the key aims for me are to improve sleep, balance blood sugars, reduce inflammation, improve liver function and support nutrient levels while taking prednisolone. And to do so through lifestyle and nutrition changes as well as some specific supplements.
In general terms this is done by:
- I eat a straightforward diet as recommended for inflammation - lots of varied coloured and (mainly) NOT dense fruit and veg as well as Protein and Complex Carbs.
- the general type of supplements I've been recommended (and which most people seem to indicate they find useful) include Omega 3, Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids, Vitamin D and Vitamin K2. The Nutritionist gives exact quantities and recommends formulations considered best for my needs. A specific collagen supplement has also been recommended.
Other general suggestions I've been given - and am following - are: Green Tea and Ceylon Cinnamon.
My nutritional and supplement programme has been recommended after lengthy consultations with a Nutritionist, referencing with the Pharmacist, and the suggestions being shared with my GP to ensure no issues or interactions with medications before starting on these dietary/nutritional changes.
And just to say, the nutrition work isn't over. To date the plans have been aimed at getting my body ready to wean off artificial steroids and getting my adrenal glands working properly again. The nutritional plan will change as I go along through the next 12 to 24 months and my body needs different things to ensure my adrenal glands are working and the inflammation, sleep etc are in good shape.
In terms of exercise and activity - so vital for overcoming PMR - I work on the aim to do enough to produce myokines but not overdo it and produce cytokines which elevate inflammation. This is not an exact science for ordinary people - we can't be doing the required blood tests every time we are active - but it does seem possible to judge what helps and what exacerbates. For me - I've worked out that I can do 10 lengths of swimming but certainly NOT the 30 I could do pre-PMR. I can walk 4km but not the 20km I could do pre-PMR.
I hope some of this may be helpful.

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@bettebaldwin Thanks. I belong to an integrative medicine complex within a large medical center. I will check to see if they have a nutritionist with whom they work. In the past, though, the emphasis has been on weight loss, and I need to put on weight. As for physical activity, that is the biggest frustration for me right now. I actually have published on physical activity and older adults, and now I feel forced to be sedentary. Some days I have felt lightheaded if I walked more than a few yards. Other days I have more energy but if I do even much more than that, I pay for it with fatigue and lightheadedness the next day. I am now almost totally sedentary other than doing my qi gong and physical therapy for a shoulder injury caused ironically by a new physical therapist prescribing a new exercise to address a very old residual stiffness. He didn’t take into account my age (my current PT told me she never recommends it for seniors) nor my PMR. So it feels like one step forward, one step back. I am just hoping the step back is a bit smaller each time. I was walking 1 1/2 -2 miles (2.4 km to 3.2 km) daily and working in my pottery studio, now it’s measured more in feet and I haven’t spent more than a few minutes in the studio. I feel emprisoned in a body that doesn’t match my mind. I’m trying to be hopeful and I am grateful to be alive after a couple of pretty bad hypotensive episodes, but I am getting frustrated and depressed.

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I could @p0rtia but much of it is very specific to me and my needs and my health issues - so I feel it would be irresponsible to share specific supplements etc on here.

But here are some general elements of the programme:
- the key aims for me are to improve sleep, balance blood sugars, reduce inflammation, improve liver function and support nutrient levels while taking prednisolone. And to do so through lifestyle and nutrition changes as well as some specific supplements.
In general terms this is done by:
- I eat a straightforward diet as recommended for inflammation - lots of varied coloured and (mainly) NOT dense fruit and veg as well as Protein and Complex Carbs.
- the general type of supplements I've been recommended (and which most people seem to indicate they find useful) include Omega 3, Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids, Vitamin D and Vitamin K2. The Nutritionist gives exact quantities and recommends formulations considered best for my needs. A specific collagen supplement has also been recommended.
Other general suggestions I've been given - and am following - are: Green Tea and Ceylon Cinnamon.
My nutritional and supplement programme has been recommended after lengthy consultations with a Nutritionist, referencing with the Pharmacist, and the suggestions being shared with my GP to ensure no issues or interactions with medications before starting on these dietary/nutritional changes.
And just to say, the nutrition work isn't over. To date the plans have been aimed at getting my body ready to wean off artificial steroids and getting my adrenal glands working properly again. The nutritional plan will change as I go along through the next 12 to 24 months and my body needs different things to ensure my adrenal glands are working and the inflammation, sleep etc are in good shape.
In terms of exercise and activity - so vital for overcoming PMR - I work on the aim to do enough to produce myokines but not overdo it and produce cytokines which elevate inflammation. This is not an exact science for ordinary people - we can't be doing the required blood tests every time we are active - but it does seem possible to judge what helps and what exacerbates. For me - I've worked out that I can do 10 lengths of swimming but certainly NOT the 30 I could do pre-PMR. I can walk 4km but not the 20km I could do pre-PMR.
I hope some of this may be helpful.

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@bettebaldwin lost my typed reply.
Again, hang in there, you’ve come this far, you,can do,it!!!!
I’m at the 30 lengths and walking in the AZ heat at 6 am is 4.5 miles, 18 min mile.
YOU CAN DO IT!

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If you have a medical alert tag, how do you abbreviate Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency? I want to include that and PMR on the tag. Not a lot of room, and I also have had corneal transplants which require steroid drops. I guess that would be less important in case of rescue steroid, though, since prednisone does affect pressure and I already have to use a drop that doesn't raise IOP as much as prednisolone.

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