Seeking Second Opinion for Thoracic Myelopathy at Mayo Rochester

Posted by upnort @upnort, Jul 1, 2020

After a year and a half of testing, including two Spinal Angiographs, my Mayo neurologists cannot pinpoint the origins of my thoracic myelopathy. He would be agreeable for me seeking a second opinion. I live in northern Wisconsin, and have been to the Marshfield Clinic and UW-Madison neurology departments for diagnosis/treatment. Both institutions referred me to the Mayo Clinic, neurology department, as they are recognized as one of the nation's top neurology departments. Where does one go to seek a second opinion if the Mayo Clinic does not have an answer ("the place to go to find answers")?

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@upnort

From my first visit with a Mayo neurosurgeon and a Mayo neurologist, there was never any mention of a "cyst" (of any kind) from Day One - only a "lesion" on the spinal cord:"MRI of the thoracic spine evidence of a long segment of signal abnormality with gadolinium enhancement and residual long T2 hyperintensity within the thoracic cord."

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I'm in Boston at Mass General with very similar symptoms and the same MRI. After dozens of tests, and an angiogram to rule out an AVM, my neurologist's working diagnosis is insufficient blood flow in the spinal cord veins. Cause unknown. He doesn't offer any real treatment except good vascular hygiene and hope it stabilizes. Currently looking for any research/trials for this.

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@oldradioguy

I'm in Boston at Mass General with very similar symptoms and the same MRI. After dozens of tests, and an angiogram to rule out an AVM, my neurologist's working diagnosis is insufficient blood flow in the spinal cord veins. Cause unknown. He doesn't offer any real treatment except good vascular hygiene and hope it stabilizes. Currently looking for any research/trials for this.

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oldradioguy: I am still waiting for the UND-NIH to reopen their studies program before I am able to have an evaluation. Unfortunately for me - and the rest of the people "waiting in line" - this could take several months to a year. Mayo Clinic's neurology department has put me "on hold" for any further evaluation - even a televisit. I have since moved on to seek a virtual 2nd opinion at the Cleveland Clinic Nuerology Department. They have reviewed my medical records, including the past two years at Mayo, and have recommended I have a MRI done here locally to compare to the last one at Mayo (done 11 months ago). We are set up for a Zoom appointment to discuss the findings of this MRI (done this past week) and plan out possble options moving forward. I will keep you posted as to the outcome. In the meantime, good luck with your current situation.

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@upnort

oldradioguy: I am still waiting for the UND-NIH to reopen their studies program before I am able to have an evaluation. Unfortunately for me - and the rest of the people "waiting in line" - this could take several months to a year. Mayo Clinic's neurology department has put me "on hold" for any further evaluation - even a televisit. I have since moved on to seek a virtual 2nd opinion at the Cleveland Clinic Nuerology Department. They have reviewed my medical records, including the past two years at Mayo, and have recommended I have a MRI done here locally to compare to the last one at Mayo (done 11 months ago). We are set up for a Zoom appointment to discuss the findings of this MRI (done this past week) and plan out possble options moving forward. I will keep you posted as to the outcome. In the meantime, good luck with your current situation.

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So I assume I shouldn't be looking to Mayo Clinic for a 2nd opinion.

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@oldradioguy

So I assume I shouldn't be looking to Mayo Clinic for a 2nd opinion.

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On the contrary, I would push to find all available resources at your disposal, inlcluding Mayo. Each case is different, and even my neurologist, whose expertise is myelopathy, admits there are just some cases that don't provide definitive answers or results. Another pair of eyes looking at your case might provide that light at the end of the tunnel. Go for it!

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@upnort

From my first visit with a Mayo neurosurgeon and a Mayo neurologist, there was never any mention of a "cyst" (of any kind) from Day One - only a "lesion" on the spinal cord:"MRI of the thoracic spine evidence of a long segment of signal abnormality with gadolinium enhancement and residual long T2 hyperintensity within the thoracic cord."

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Just a thought....With the "residual long T2 hyperintensity within the thoracic cord" has anyone mentioned the possibility that this could indicate multiple sclerosis?

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@wisco50

Yes, it hurt unbelievably - as a fellow RN, you will understand when I say the pain from my lower back into my R leg was such that I honestly wondered if I had a dissecting aneurysm! Calmed myself down enough to realize I had good pulses in the leg and eventually foot, once I could move enough to check them! OMG! I ended up having a TLIF surgery, with fixation and fusion at multiple levels. They did remove the cyst sac. I knew my back was in bad shape but my neck was bothering me more and ironically was scheduled for neck ACDF so they did my back instead since I “conveniently” had the OR slot, plans for my animals already made, etc. <G> Had the neck done 6 weeks later! Even managed to get in my week scheduled Caribbean vacation between surgeries, since I was a month postop back wise, allowed to be in ocean! :>)

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I had a hemorrhagic cyst at T4-T5 resulting from previous laminectomy and fusion surgery. It caused sciatica down my left leg. It was removed in Feb. 2019 but the sciatica has persisted and gotten worse. Anyone have any idea as to why and what can be done? Thank you.

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@suzfuse46

Just a thought....With the "residual long T2 hyperintensity within the thoracic cord" has anyone mentioned the possibility that this could indicate multiple sclerosis?

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"Anyone" being me after the first series of scans and tests. But my Mayo neurologist - a specialist in myelopathy - basically ruled out MS. Now, my (second opinion) Cleveland Clinic neurologist - a specialist in MS - has also ruled out MS. However, one of the prescription medicines he mentioned as part of a possible treatment plan is also used by MS patients.
Modern medicine is a constantly revolving door - sometimes with no clear exit.
And the beat goes on...

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@upnort

"Anyone" being me after the first series of scans and tests. But my Mayo neurologist - a specialist in myelopathy - basically ruled out MS. Now, my (second opinion) Cleveland Clinic neurologist - a specialist in MS - has also ruled out MS. However, one of the prescription medicines he mentioned as part of a possible treatment plan is also used by MS patients.
Modern medicine is a constantly revolving door - sometimes with no clear exit.
And the beat goes on...

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You are well read and savvy about test results. I had an MRI about 10 years ago that showed hyperintensities in my brain which no one investigated further nor even mentioned. A couple of years ago a neurology migraine specialist noted that and mentioned MS but didn't look into it at all. I have had an MRI recently and tried to ask about looking for the MS hyperintensities in the spinal cord but got nowhere with it. With all the pain and problems I have I have done so much "internet" research which just tics them off when you ask about anything you have found. We are supposed to be our own best advocates but that is an impossible mission. I wish you the best of luck in solving the mystery.

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I thank you both for the kind words and a message of hope. You are correct regarding their disdain for self-advocacy, especially "suggestions" they may not have looked into or thought about. In the meantime, I have been using my treking poles to maneuver out and about without feeling self-conscious. Until, as you say, this mystery is solved, I will continue to leave the vanity plates off the car and only be concerned about the next turn in the road. Let us all stay "connected" - here's to advocacy!

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@upnort

On the contrary, I would push to find all available resources at your disposal, inlcluding Mayo. Each case is different, and even my neurologist, whose expertise is myelopathy, admits there are just some cases that don't provide definitive answers or results. Another pair of eyes looking at your case might provide that light at the end of the tunnel. Go for it!

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Actually have an appointment there beginning of June. My neurologist here ordered another MRI before I go so they will have the very latest at hand. Interesting to see what happens.

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