PV Itching Not After Bathing

Posted by trillium @trillium, Mar 16, 2021

There’s so much information out there about PV itching following contact with water. My question is simple—can the PV-related itching happen at other times of the day? I consistently start itching at 7 pm every night. Interestingly, the itching last night started at 8 pm I presume because of daylight saving time change. Does anyone else experience this? Should I look elsewhere for the cause of the itching? I’d be interested to hear anyone’s stories about when they itch, not just what to do about it.

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I have polycythemia and experienced extreme itching for years, especially around my ankles. I mauled my poor ankles to death, especially at night. Triggers: warm/hot showers, exercise, hot (or even just warm) weather. But the itching happens even without those triggers. Nights are absolutely the worst.

Eventually, I broke the itch/scratch cycle:
1. I rid myself of any and all skin care products except Aveeno's special body wash and cream for dry itchy skin. No, my skin is not dry, it's just that I have found these products work for me like no other. I even use the body wash as simple hand soap. So, no acne washes, etc. No product hits my skin other than the above Aveeno products.
2. I lather myself up with the above body wash PRIOR to getting into the shower. Then, I turn the shower on and quickly rinse myself off in just-warm water. I do not linger in the shower or use hot water.
3. Whenever I start to itch, I rub the Aveeno cream into the itchy area.
4. Hypo-allergenic laundry detergent.

After a week or so, the itch/scratch cycle broke. My problem is now all but alleviated. But I am careful to NEVER scratch, knowing that I could start the cycle all over again.

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Oddly enough, since my numbers are good now, I only have itching where clothing seams are stitched. The worst are short sleeves. I also wear mt pajamas onside out at night.😄

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@claire39, thank you so much for your reply. I, too, have had some sort of dermatitis on my scalp for about 2 years. It itches, blisters, and flakes. I’ve lost count of the different hair products I’ve cycled through to try to figure out the culprit. I never thought to correlate it to blood. This is very helpful information. What is the lotion that you use on it?

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Hello. I would suggestion getting sulfate free shampoos. Once I switched, the itching calmed down. It wasn't eliminated of course but it helped.

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I don’t have any numbers for my ferritin count and the Dr never seems concerned. My platelets are 189

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I also was diagnosed with PCV just this May. I had the horrible itching 2 years before my blood ever showed signs of the disease. I went to many dermatologists and have found if I take a chewable children’s Benadryl it calms it down and usually takes the itch away. Bathing is the worst, but sometimes I find stress triggers it. I also go for a walk or exercise and that helps me. It’s a battle.

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Thank you Jerrlin
My I ask you what your ferritin and platelets numbers are?

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Cblowers1.......thank you for your most helpful input. I too have an ongoing rash under my breasts. It gets better with creams from the doctors but most always comes back. This started about three months ago but now I am going to look into it further. I also have a pinpoint rash on my face which I will be seeing a dermatologist for. Seems like one rash after the other, hope I find a solution soon, but I will look into your suggestion, thanks again........Claire

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I very seldom have a rash, but as my hematologist stated. When your blood thickens it signals histamines to activate and causes the itching. Anyway , Benadryl chewable and quick exercise help me. Good Luck

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I also was diagnosed with PCV just this May. I had the horrible itching 2 years before my blood ever showed signs of the disease. I went to many dermatologists and have found if I take a chewable children’s Benadryl it calms it down and usually takes the itch away. Bathing is the worst, but sometimes I find stress triggers it. I also go for a walk or exercise and that helps me. It’s a battle.

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Have you ever had the lesions on your scalp biopsies? I had a very itchy rash in the area under my breasts that would flare and subside for 3-4 years and was treated for bacterial infection and for fungal infection when I had my annual dermatology exam at Mayo Clinic. In 2016, I had a punch biopsy of similar rash in my groin area and was diagnosed with a rare disease, Langerhans cell histiocytosis. It is a blood disease that is primarily a pediatric disease, but can affect one at any age. It causes most frequently causes skin lesions and/or lesions on bones. It can also appear in lungs,spleen, liver, or on pituitary gland. It can only be diagnosed by biopsy of lesions and requires special staining by pathologist to identify. It is seen so rarely that most doctors never see an adult with it and never think to check for it. I was treated with many topicals, including strong steroidal ointments, Valchlor gel and even brachytherapy. All irritated my skin and only when I started on Hydrea in late 2019 did it get better. It took several months to end the sometimes ulcerative rash. the raw skin with weeping. I now have some areas of small red bumps that occasionally itch, especially at night, but has been like a miracle. I also was diagnosed in 2019 with chronic myelomonocytic leukemia. There may or may not be a connection, such both are myeloid diseases.
I realize that this would be a long shot, but I feel that LCH is under diagnosed and most adults are not diagnosed for months or even years after lesions first appear.

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Cblowers1.......thank you for your most helpful input. I too have an ongoing rash under my breasts. It gets better with creams from the doctors but most always comes back. This started about three months ago but now I am going to look into it further. I also have a pinpoint rash on my face which I will be seeing a dermatologist for. Seems like one rash after the other, hope I find a solution soon, but I will look into your suggestion, thanks again........Claire

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Good morning @trillium, @claire39. I just realized that I might have a solution for your scalp itch. My dermatologist diagnosed my 10 year battle with scalp itch as seborrheic dermatitis. It started behind my ears and was very yucky and annoying. She has develop a 3 day treatment program that combines shampoo changes with overnight application of fluocinonide twice a week. I did the process 2 times and that was 2 years ago. It is not 100% gone...vanished.......but it is close to at least 95%. I only use the topical every once in a while behind my right ear. That is also my main tinnitus ear.

I wish I could give you a gift of this treatment....it was my first “itch” relief introduction. Wish my hands responded to something or anything to help with the rest of my body.

May you have happiness and the causes of happiness.
Chris

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Chris, this article mentions b6, biotin and zinc deficiencies as a possible cause of seborrheic dermatitis. The other discusses gut health and probiotics. Many medications and treatments impact gut flora.
https://www.podiatrytoday.com/when-vitamin-and-nutritional-deficiencies-cause-skin-and-nail-changes
https://sebdermhealing.com/probiotics-promise-a-cure-for-seborrheic-dermatitis/

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Good morning Trillium.......I have ET and MPN, I have been on Hydrea for three years. Before diagnosis I developed itchiness on my scalp with outbreaks of blister like spots. Dermatologists said it was an allergy to fragrance. After I started to take Hydrea it slowly calmed down to just a bit of itchiness sometimes at night. My Blood Doctor said it was side effects of the cancer. I have a lotion that I put on it if I have an outbreak. I do not have itchiness anywhere else. Hope this information is helpful

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Have you ever had the lesions on your scalp biopsies? I had a very itchy rash in the area under my breasts that would flare and subside for 3-4 years and was treated for bacterial infection and for fungal infection when I had my annual dermatology exam at Mayo Clinic. In 2016, I had a punch biopsy of similar rash in my groin area and was diagnosed with a rare disease, Langerhans cell histiocytosis. It is a blood disease that is primarily a pediatric disease, but can affect one at any age. It causes most frequently causes skin lesions and/or lesions on bones. It can also appear in lungs,spleen, liver, or on pituitary gland. It can only be diagnosed by biopsy of lesions and requires special staining by pathologist to identify. It is seen so rarely that most doctors never see an adult with it and never think to check for it. I was treated with many topicals, including strong steroidal ointments, Valchlor gel and even brachytherapy. All irritated my skin and only when I started on Hydrea in late 2019 did it get better. It took several months to end the sometimes ulcerative rash. the raw skin with weeping. I now have some areas of small red bumps that occasionally itch, especially at night, but has been like a miracle. I also was diagnosed in 2019 with chronic myelomonocytic leukemia. There may or may not be a connection, such both are myeloid diseases.
I realize that this would be a long shot, but I feel that LCH is under diagnosed and most adults are not diagnosed for months or even years after lesions first appear.

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