Prednisone tapering is challenging. What does remission feel like?

Posted by jmcc @jmcc, Oct 18, 2021

Hi all what’s remission feel like? Does it only happen when I’m completely off prednisone or can remission occur while I’m tapering?

I’ve had PMR for a year and three months and I’ve been on prednisone for a year. I have been able to taper down to 4mg per day with some manageable pain and moodiness, but 2 days ago my head cleared and I felt like my happy self again. I’m still a little achy but really thrilled that I’m not cranky/spacey/frustrated.

Can I accelerate the taper? Any advice?

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@vas135

I was diagnosed with PMR 3 years ago and am still trying to taper off prednisone after experiencing several flares - at least 2 per year. With each flare I have had to increase my dose of prednisone and begin tapering again. It appears I have had no PMR symptoms for the past several months so the journey of tapering off prednisone continues. In January I was down to 15 mg. In recent months I have been tapering down 1 mg per month. I am now at 8 mg and have been experiencing terrible body aches to the point where I can't sleep, fatigue, muscle weakness and nausea + +. This has gone on for weeks now. My doctor is hesitant to increase my dose or suggest any pain relief other than extra strength Tylenol which does not touch the relentless pain I have been in. I am unable to work or even maintain my home. Is this normal? I understood the side effects from tapering would be up to 2 weeks and have been told to push through them but mine seem to continue and I am beyond being able to cope. Is there anything that can be done for someone in my situation?

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What you are experiencing is not normal. It saddens me to read the replies and how this disease is being treated by doctors/rheumys. Big picture: according to Mayo Clinic, the average duration of PMR is 5.9 years and the only treatment is prednisone. We try to taper to find the lowest dose where we are mostly comfortable. We shouldn't reduce prednisone if we are experiencing pain. So for example, I found complete relief with my initial dose of 15 mgs. (some people need more). When I dropped to 12.5 I felt some pain, but not enough to increase. I've struggled trying to get below 10 mgs. for several years now and I still take 11-12 mgs. daily. Do I want to take less? Yes, but I don't get to determine my taper. My body does. If you take less prednisone than your body needs to deal with the inflammation, the inflammation continues to build and you'll have a flare. My hope is that you'll find a rheumatologist who will help you figure out what's best for your body and not follow the limited and sometimes errant medical literature.

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@milld835

I'm so sorry to hear this. This is why I went into the ER to find out if it had morphed into GCA. After I upped the Prednisone back to 15 mg. the jaw pain disappeared. It was quite excruciating; felt like the pressure on my ears was going to explode them (this I've experienced often along the way), but I have never experienced the jaw pain before. Scary actually when you know what it could be. However, because my CRP levels (3) were way below normal, the Neurologist said not GCA. I do have an appointment with the Rhematology Clinic on May 30 (finally) and will get them to check it out thoroughly. I appreciate your comments.

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It's good you have an upcoming appointment with a Rheumatologist. I believe the most accurate way of diagnosing GCA is with a temporal biopsy. My CRP levels were also normal when the biopsy confirmed I had GCA.

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I was diagnosed with PMR in early 2020 and ceased Prednisone entirely at the end of January 2021. My advice is be patient and stick with the taper exactly as recommended. Many people here have had PMR much longer than us and it’s a very tricky condition so we can’t afford to get complacent.
I have realised that PMR changes your body and in my case I had cognitive issues but with exercise a good diet and supplements if you need them you can get yourself back in time - but it’s a new normal. Reduce stress wherever you can. Good luck!

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@milld835

I feel ya. I am trying to taper down from 15 mg. Right now I am at 15 mg. after increasing 1.25. Will be tapering by 1 mg. starting on May 26th, so every 2 weeks Neurologist wants me to try going down by 1 mg. I have experienced many different things since tapering from 20 mg. Seems like everything returns, but not at the same time. Last week my jaws started up, so I went to ER as pain was up into my temples. Blood was taken and my CRP was only 3. I do not know if it is a result of the Prednisone, the tapering or the actual PMR. Everyone is different, but we're altogether in this boat. Also, tapering is an individual thing. As I've been advised on here, let your body do the talking. I feel that every 2 weeks is not enough to determine whether your body has accepted a lower dose, but Rheumatologist does not seem to get it. Until you've experienced the pain ups and downs of this infliction, they just don't get it. Best of luck with the roller coaster ride. Cheers ~ Deb

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Hi @mild835, jaw pain and pain in the temples can be symptoms of Giant Cell Arteritis which about 30% of those with PMR develop. A higher dosage of Prednisone (usually 40 - 50 mg) is needed to control GCA. If your jaw and temple pain continue, you may need a temporal artery biopsy to rule out GCA. Other symptoms can include a tender scalp, difficulty seeing, and a dry cough. I also had an incredibly stiff neck. It's best to be vigilant, as untreated, GCA can result in blindness and stroke. Wishing you the best, Teri

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@anniekirby

I was diagnosed with PMR in early 2020 and ceased Prednisone entirely at the end of January 2021. My advice is be patient and stick with the taper exactly as recommended. Many people here have had PMR much longer than us and it’s a very tricky condition so we can’t afford to get complacent.
I have realised that PMR changes your body and in my case I had cognitive issues but with exercise a good diet and supplements if you need them you can get yourself back in time - but it’s a new normal. Reduce stress wherever you can. Good luck!

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Yep...it's just something we have to go with the flow with. GCA is nothing to fool with and today the ophthalmologist said she see's no vascular problems in my eyes. I agree about the tapering, but 2.5 mg was too much too fast for me. So we start a new regimen next week of 1 mg. down every other week. My diet has done a complete 180 and exercise as often as possible. Thanks for your much appreciated response.

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@tsc

Hi @mild835, jaw pain and pain in the temples can be symptoms of Giant Cell Arteritis which about 30% of those with PMR develop. A higher dosage of Prednisone (usually 40 - 50 mg) is needed to control GCA. If your jaw and temple pain continue, you may need a temporal artery biopsy to rule out GCA. Other symptoms can include a tender scalp, difficulty seeing, and a dry cough. I also had an incredibly stiff neck. It's best to be vigilant, as untreated, GCA can result in blindness and stroke. Wishing you the best, Teri

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I agree Teri. Jaw pain stopped when I returned to 15 mg. Prednisone, just up a bit from 13.75 mg. Both Neurologist and Ophthalmologist concur - not GCA. Biopsy could not be done as I have been too long on the Prednisone now. Sometimes I feel I am hyper-vigilant but best to err on the side of caution. Much of my pain is a result of tapering a bit too quickly (I believe so anyway.) Thanks again. ~ Deb

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@minijohn

It's good you have an upcoming appointment with a Rheumatologist. I believe the most accurate way of diagnosing GCA is with a temporal biopsy. My CRP levels were also normal when the biopsy confirmed I had GCA.

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Yes thanks @minijohn. Ophthalmologist says too far along with the Prednisone to do a temporal biopsy. The jaw pain did stop when I increased the dose to 15 mg., so just a slight increase. Next step is to see what the Rheumatologist says. Thanks so much. ~ Deb

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I was diagnosed with PMR in April and began taking 20MG of Prednisone daily (in morning) for one month, then instructed to reduce by 2.5mg each week. I am trying to reduce my daily dose, yet unable to get below 15mg without discomfort in the back of my legs, buttocks e.g. sitting is uncomfortable. Prednisone makes me anxious and jittery and somewhat difficultly with sleeping. My doctor has suggested splitting my dose to twice daily i.e. morning 7.5mg and late afternoon 7.5mg for one week, then each week reduce by 2.5mg daily. I am hesitant to proceed as I feel taking prednisone late in the day will affect my ability to sleep as well as I have concerns with managing potential stomach issues using prednisone and the need to take food with dosage (difficult to do when other commitments during the day prohibit interruptions). I also take Pantoprazole in morning to help with stomach issues. I would like to get my dosage lower and more manageable, but wondering if others have had good or bad experiences with splitting daily doses; as well as p.o.v. on best way accomplish a reduction plan that works. Thank you!

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@mikeshell

I was diagnosed with PMR in April and began taking 20MG of Prednisone daily (in morning) for one month, then instructed to reduce by 2.5mg each week. I am trying to reduce my daily dose, yet unable to get below 15mg without discomfort in the back of my legs, buttocks e.g. sitting is uncomfortable. Prednisone makes me anxious and jittery and somewhat difficultly with sleeping. My doctor has suggested splitting my dose to twice daily i.e. morning 7.5mg and late afternoon 7.5mg for one week, then each week reduce by 2.5mg daily. I am hesitant to proceed as I feel taking prednisone late in the day will affect my ability to sleep as well as I have concerns with managing potential stomach issues using prednisone and the need to take food with dosage (difficult to do when other commitments during the day prohibit interruptions). I also take Pantoprazole in morning to help with stomach issues. I would like to get my dosage lower and more manageable, but wondering if others have had good or bad experiences with splitting daily doses; as well as p.o.v. on best way accomplish a reduction plan that works. Thank you!

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Hi Mike,
Tapering off prednisone is challenging. You are certainly not alone. In fact, I moved your post to this existing discussion:
- Prednisone tapering is challenging. What does remission feel like? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prednisone-tapering-and-remission/

I did this so you can connect with others, like @milld835 @tsc @anniekirby @minijohn @kmeikle1 and more, and read their experiences, including experiences with splitting dose over the course of the day.

You may also be interested in these related discussions:
- Prednisone tapering is hard: Do complementary therapies help?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prednisone-tapering/
- Tapering off of Prednisone: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prednisone/

You're asking a good question about taking a split dose late in the day and your concern about it affecting your sleep. How early in the morning do you take your medication?

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@colleenyoung

Hi Mike,
Tapering off prednisone is challenging. You are certainly not alone. In fact, I moved your post to this existing discussion:
- Prednisone tapering is challenging. What does remission feel like? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prednisone-tapering-and-remission/

I did this so you can connect with others, like @milld835 @tsc @anniekirby @minijohn @kmeikle1 and more, and read their experiences, including experiences with splitting dose over the course of the day.

You may also be interested in these related discussions:
- Prednisone tapering is hard: Do complementary therapies help?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prednisone-tapering/
- Tapering off of Prednisone: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prednisone/

You're asking a good question about taking a split dose late in the day and your concern about it affecting your sleep. How early in the morning do you take your medication?

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Thank you.....I typically take my prednisone around 8:30am.

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