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Hi. I think I got PMR after having an infection when I got the first COVID vaccine in 2020. I gradually got severe joint pain and very bad morning stiffness- that lasted at least until 16.00.. I could barely walk and I was used to exercise 5-6 days a week. My then GP prescribed Prednisolon 20 mg and after 2 hours the pain was much better. As I’m a registered nurse, that for me confirmed the condition. I have since tried to slowly reduce the dosage, I’ve been down to 5 mg and then have terrible flair ups and have to start over again. Lately I’ve been accused of being a prednisone addict by doctors and also a rheumatologist. That’s really makes me sad and I question their knowledge about this disease. But when I have the horrible pain I don’t know how to manage the pain besides use prednisone and the pain makes me so desperate that I get suicidal. I function best at 15 mg and can then have an okay life quality. I’m aware of the prednisone different side effects. I have read about different tapering methods and think at least I need to decrease every 3 months, but my current doctors will probably not accept that. What to do?? Inga
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@ropnrose Also, please consider seeing a knee specialist. I have bilateral knee pain and was Dx with osteoarthritis. My knee ortho treats me with semi-annual hyaluronic acid. That is the gel you hear advertised on TV, it works great. I also have bilateral osteoarthritis in y shoulders per the x-rays and my shoulder ortho. They treat that with steroid injections and about once a year I private pay to get hyaluronic acid injections. The US is the only country in the world that has not approved hyaluronic acid for shoulders. That works for me also. You might consider a hand specialist to check out your wrists to see what is really going on. Rheumy do not investigate pains individually, you can.
@jabrown0407 Thanks for the suggestions. I have heard of hyaluronic acid for skin care. Interesting that it works on joints, too. I do plan on seeing my Ortho, too. She was the one who actually diagnosed my PMR by looking at my pre-appt. bloodwork, before I had gone to my primary. She also contacted my primary and told her what other blood parameters I needed to be tested for. (She is my guardian angel. I live in a small town in the middle of Wyoming. I'm sure I would have been going down all kinds of rabbit holes, trying to figure out what was wrong with me.)
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1 ReactionYou are absolutely correct. Diagnosis of PMR is based on symptoms and response to corticosteroid treatment. Not infrequently, all blood tests and imaging studies are normal, and there is no test specifically diagnostic for PMR. Consider getting evaluated by another doctor.
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1 Reaction@jabrown0407 Hi. I’m Norwegian and it was a chiropractor that first mentioned PMR as a possible option for my symptoms. GCA was never mentioned as an additional diagnosis when I talked to several Norwegian doctors ( I now live in Spain) and that’s really a scary situation to have to face. I feel really sorry for those with PMR that has to struggle with this🥺🥺
I have lots of additional injuries because of a childhood accident and high level volleyball -that mainly caused lower back and shoulder problems. I had to have a big surgery in my back 16 years ago and also in both shoulders. In addition I have classic Ehler Danlos. So I’m never totally pain free. So that’s makes it even harder to reduce the prednisone dosage. I would like to know what the most common used DMARD medication is, for PMR- besides the first choice Metotrexate..
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1 Reaction@inga71 try Kevzara….biologic worked for me
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1 Reaction@inga71 So I asked my AI tool, MS Copilot "what are the DMARD medications used to treat PMR?" and this is what it told me.
Methotrexate, csDMARD, First‑line steroid‑sparing agent
Leflunomide, csDMARD, Possible alternative - limited data
Sarilumab, Biologic (IL‑6), FDA‑approved for refractory PMR
Tocilizumab, Biologic (IL‑6), Off‑label, strong evidence
JAK inhibitors, Targeted synthetic, Experimental
Rituximab, Biologic, Experimental
I thought Tocilizumab was FDA approved to treat PMR so I asked "What drugs are FDA approved to treat PMR?' Answer -
Only two drugs are FDA‑approved for PMR - Prednisone (Rayos®) and Sarilumab (Kevzara®)
Hope this information helps you. I have found the AI tool I use to be invaluable to do much of my online research. Simple searches on search engines are a pay-to-play so the businesses that pay the most get to show up at the top of the search results. This is not true with AI engines. I will caution that I have found errors with the AI engine - not often. I fact check my AI Engine if I am suspicious. Trust yet verify.
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1 Reaction@jabrown0407 Hi. Super information. Thanks.😘
I will bring that to my rheumatologist and see what she says about that..
@inga71 I am always very careful when confronting doctors with "facts" I gather off the internet. I want to be respectful of their years of training, their years of experience and other factors I might be unaware of, like recent double-blind studies. Even AI is sometimes wrong. The other thing that I am concerned with is the amount of weight the doctor is placing on my personal treatment history when making future treatment decisions. Since PMR is not provable, at some point every doctor needs to step away and view the patient's history to lead them to decisions about "do I have this right?" Please ask to be tested for asymptomatic GCA and other possible causes of your continued "PMR" stubborn and treatment resistant pains over a 5 year period. If it were straight PMR it should not be problematic like it is for so long. Focus on you, your case and how out of bounds your PMR seems to be from the classic case.
Since you live in Spain and I have had a good night's sleep I asked my AI Bestie about DMANDs in Spain.
Here you go -
Methotrexate, Common, first‑line DMARD, Off‑label
Tocilizumab, Refractory / GCA-PMR, EMA approved Sarilumab, Increasing use, EMA approved
Leflunomide, Occasional, Off‑label
Other csDMARDs, Not recommended
I wish you success in your journey. Please keep use updated.
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2 ReactionsAre your inflammation marker labs elevated.?
Do you have access to a lab that can test your
Interleukin 6 level. Have you tried the Mediterranean
diet.? Keep in mind that our chronic inflammatory
disease raises our cardiovascular risk and check lipid
profile and carotid ultrasound.
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