Polycythemia: Primary or Secondary?

Posted by buckaroobanzai @buckaroobanzai, Aug 31, 2022

Hello all,

High EPO implies secondary polycythemia. Low EPO implies primary polycythemia. But what if, like me, you have very low but technically "normal" EPO?

Am negative for the JAK gene.

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@mattymatilda

My new hematologist has not given me phlebotomy yet.

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What's with your high WBC count? Were you sick?

The other (primary) numbers appear in line with mine post-phlebotomy or relatively shortly thereafter.

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@buckaroobanzai

What's with your high WBC count? Were you sick?

The other (primary) numbers appear in line with mine post-phlebotomy or relatively shortly thereafter.

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High WBC is a mystery. I've been checked for every possible bacterial and viral infection. That was one of the first rounds of tests I was given. All negative. Interestingly, my PCP is more concerned with WBC and my hematologist is more concerned with my RBC. Personally, I feel they are both important since they are both out of range, significantly at times. I have no idea what is going on here. It bothers me to just sit and wait for something bad to happen.

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Yes, the high WBC certainly is a mystery. The other highs reflect polycythemia, but what is this? And you are right, both the high WBC and high RBC are important.

It is always hard to sit and wait. I prefer to think we are sitting and waiting for the situation to become clear rather than sitting and waiting for "something bad to happen."

Hang in there!

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@buckaroobanzai

Yes, the high WBC certainly is a mystery. The other highs reflect polycythemia, but what is this? And you are right, both the high WBC and high RBC are important.

It is always hard to sit and wait. I prefer to think we are sitting and waiting for the situation to become clear rather than sitting and waiting for "something bad to happen."

Hang in there!

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Thanks. That is a much better way to think about. I do try not to focus on it but some days when I’m feeling bad I’m more likely to think about the waiting. Let’s keep updating here if anything changes. Take care.

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Yes, let's stay in touch. Take care!

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@buckaroobanzai

Yes, let's stay in touch. Take care!

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Definitely!! Talk soon.

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@mattymatilda

Hi Buckaroobanzi!

Thanks for responding. No, I have never heard of anyone with polycythemia AND anemia. Interestingly, when I went to get a second opinion, the hematologist immediately said "you can't have polycythemia and anemia, its impossible". Here we are months later and she now agrees with the original diagnosis. At times my iron goes down to 7 -11. It was good on last lab (84). That's about 50% on scale. Iron saturation always low. between 18 - 30.
Both drs told me to never take any iron pills. My hematocrit on this most recent test is at 49.2. It has been a bit over 50 prior. She said she's not going to treat until it gets to 52. It has risen EVERY lab test I've received since mid January. Sometimes a little sometimes more. But always higher than previous test. Hemoglobin fluctuates but ALWAYS high.
I really appreciate your input and or thoughts. I'm not sure what I have or where to go or should I just do nothing. I uploaded picture of last lab.

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Hi Just curious. I was diagnosed with Polycythemia and my father and I both have Thalassemia minor ... a different kind of anemia. Iron, I was told is not a positive thing for Thalassemia. Is that an anemia possibility for you? Please forgive me, I'm new to the polycythemia diagnosis and admittedly am ignorant about this whole process. So many questions. Thank you for sharing your experiences and being so helpful to this newbie.

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@kat101

Hi Just curious. I was diagnosed with Polycythemia and my father and I both have Thalassemia minor ... a different kind of anemia. Iron, I was told is not a positive thing for Thalassemia. Is that an anemia possibility for you? Please forgive me, I'm new to the polycythemia diagnosis and admittedly am ignorant about this whole process. So many questions. Thank you for sharing your experiences and being so helpful to this newbie.

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Hi, sorry for such the long delay in responding. The Elysium is interesting. I did ask my hematologist about it. He said it’s usually found in babies as it is hereditary mainly. My anemia is affected by my hematocrit when my hematocrit is really high my iron numbers go up After a phlebotomy my iron numbers go way down. It’s like a catch 22 then when I get an iron infusion it raises my hematocrit. I don’t like this back-and-forth because it does not seem logical. I’m still struggling trying to find a MPN doctor in my area. Apparently they are few and far between .
Initially, before I was diagnosed with polycythemia, the hematologist thought I had bone marrow cancer. That was his first diagnosis until my bone marrow biopsy came back negative. The biopsy did show some abnormalities, but nobody seems to know why.
I hope this answers some of your questions, or maybe explains some things.

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@mattymatilda

Hi, sorry for such the long delay in responding. The Elysium is interesting. I did ask my hematologist about it. He said it’s usually found in babies as it is hereditary mainly. My anemia is affected by my hematocrit when my hematocrit is really high my iron numbers go up After a phlebotomy my iron numbers go way down. It’s like a catch 22 then when I get an iron infusion it raises my hematocrit. I don’t like this back-and-forth because it does not seem logical. I’m still struggling trying to find a MPN doctor in my area. Apparently they are few and far between .
Initially, before I was diagnosed with polycythemia, the hematologist thought I had bone marrow cancer. That was his first diagnosis until my bone marrow biopsy came back negative. The biopsy did show some abnormalities, but nobody seems to know why.
I hope this answers some of your questions, or maybe explains some things.

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Dr Jeanne Palmer is very knowledgeable. She is at Mayo in Arizona. She does telehealth so you do not have to travel.

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