PMR Dosages and Managing Symptoms

Posted by maryft @maryft, Aug 16, 2021

I've read through the discussions and note all the different dosages of prednisone, different lengths of time taking prednisone, plus the addition of other meds, for PMR. I also note that the tapering of dosages and time frames are so varied from person to person. It appears there is not a set standard among physicians. How does one know if they were/are receiving the right dosage? Obviously, if symptoms subside, the dose is working, but after tapering if the symptoms return, was the initial dosage correct? I've also read that a person shouldn't be on prednisone long term, but there are many who've been on it for a few years. Its all very confusing.

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@nyxygirl

@lizward46 thank you so much - we are in the April /May 2023 Dx newbie-group ; ) May I ask as I am also now at 22.5mg ( long story - I take 3X /day) - ha sounds like we have the same doctor !!

Have you achieved this 100% response without splitting the dose ?
What time of day do you take you Prednisone?
How is your sleep ? Today when I was awake at 3am (ARGH! ) I rested till 4am and then just went ahead and changed my morning dose time from 5am to 4am !! Good thing the sun rises here in MA very early now : )

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Hi Newbie, When I started with prednisone I did read that it could affect sleep. With that in mind, I took my whole dose 30mg (one week at this amt.) in the AM (7:30-8:00). I was careful to eat something first, usually a banana, and take meds with a glass of milk. So far no change in sleep patterns or gastro issues. I am now at 17.5 and (fingers crossed) doing fine, still taking the whole dose in the morning. I want to mention that I am also taking a boatload of supplements. Before PMR I was med free, only taking a daily Vit D3 and occuvite (eye health). Now, as I think I mentioned, I have added 1000 calcium, more vit D, vit K, occuvite, Pepcid (20mg) and of course prednisone. The Pepcid is a new addition because rheumatologist said long term prednisone use (more than one week) could cause stomach bleeding and the Pepcid is a preventative measure. So now I am feeling like the old person with the pill container full of stuff that I have to manage everyday. However, if this regimen helps to put PMR into remission, I will be a happy camper. Good luck. Liz Ward from VA

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@vellen

After going down from 15mg to 12.5mg after two weeks, I called to complain about breakthrough pain only to have the doctor convince me to stay on the lower dose. I called again yesterday because the pain had spread from my neck to my shoulders and lower back.
My doctor is out until July 11 because his wife had a baby. The nurse just said that was fine to increase to 15mg... eyeroll. I mentioned the main reason I called is that a refill would be needed sooner and to make a note in the file.
I made an appointment with another doctor at the clinic regarding the Tramadol he is reluctant to refill. We'll see how that goes. This is so not fun. I am nearly deaf and for some reason when talking to most people on the phone, I have to keep reminding them in the SAME conversation. I'm just tired and hope I can get a break sooner rather than later.

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Yikes. I think I’d do the same as you and bump back up to 15 mg. We’ve had situations like that after we got more comfortable with adjusting the prednisone that we started making small changes ourselves (i.e. staying an extra week on a higher dose before titration or going up by 2.5 mg if it seemed like a flare).

Can you ask if there is a different rheumatologist covering for yours who can send the refill for you?

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@nyxygirl

@lizward46 thank you so much - we are in the April /May 2023 Dx newbie-group ; ) May I ask as I am also now at 22.5mg ( long story - I take 3X /day) - ha sounds like we have the same doctor !!

Have you achieved this 100% response without splitting the dose ?
What time of day do you take you Prednisone?
How is your sleep ? Today when I was awake at 3am (ARGH! ) I rested till 4am and then just went ahead and changed my morning dose time from 5am to 4am !! Good thing the sun rises here in MA very early now : )

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Curious, did your doctor recommend splitting the dose? My dad (he has PMR; I am a caregiver) took his initial 20 mg dose in the morning and be really couldn’t sleep because he’s so sensitive to medication. He really wouldn’t have been able to tolerate taking any amount later in the day. At one point, his doctor recommended trying it, thinking he’d “sleep through” before the side effect kicked in and woke him up, but it only made it worse >_< But everyone’s different, right?

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@emo

Yikes. I think I’d do the same as you and bump back up to 15 mg. We’ve had situations like that after we got more comfortable with adjusting the prednisone that we started making small changes ourselves (i.e. staying an extra week on a higher dose before titration or going up by 2.5 mg if it seemed like a flare).

Can you ask if there is a different rheumatologist covering for yours who can send the refill for you?

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This is a genersl doctor who, after the ER doctor was unable to diagnose me, did within ten minutes of hearing my symptoms then did bloodwork to verify that. I'll stay with him for now.
I live in a very small town, about 1,400 people. The closest Rheumy would be about an hour away by highway and I'm not keen to drive that. especially not knowing if they're any good.
I am comfortable with a bit of tweaking or extending, my concern is with the refills. My insurance won't allow more than one at a time though having different mgs would make it easier. Rather than going down 2.5mg from 15mg. I'd like to go down 1mg at a time and will talk to the replacement (he's out until July 11) about that.

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@emo

Curious, did your doctor recommend splitting the dose? My dad (he has PMR; I am a caregiver) took his initial 20 mg dose in the morning and be really couldn’t sleep because he’s so sensitive to medication. He really wouldn’t have been able to tolerate taking any amount later in the day. At one point, his doctor recommended trying it, thinking he’d “sleep through” before the side effect kicked in and woke him up, but it only made it worse >_< But everyone’s different, right?

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In my situation, my doctor had me take 5mg 3x per day. When I saw him again and complained about the bad sleep (even though I take Ambien), he suggested I take the full 15mg in the morning. I woke with such pain the next day that I now split and take it every 12 hours. He said it didn"t matter as long as it was taken daily. I hope this helps. And you're right, everyone is different. Viva la differénce!

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@emo

Curious, did your doctor recommend splitting the dose? My dad (he has PMR; I am a caregiver) took his initial 20 mg dose in the morning and be really couldn’t sleep because he’s so sensitive to medication. He really wouldn’t have been able to tolerate taking any amount later in the day. At one point, his doctor recommended trying it, thinking he’d “sleep through” before the side effect kicked in and woke him up, but it only made it worse >_< But everyone’s different, right?

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@emo hi there - actually it was here in this Connect group that I saw mention of the split dose and PCP agreed to that.
My cousin had PMR about 9 years ago - he told me he took his (entire) dose at night . As my closest point of reference for PMR-experience he started at 15mg , had trouble at the very end of tapering - crawling along by reducing by only 0.5 mg and is in remission -never had a relapse !

NOTE : In the thread of 'clinicals trials 2023' - there is a trial for TIME-RELEASE Prednisone -

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@grammy82

I have GCA and it took me a long time to get to 10mg, three years, with lots of ups and downs(along with Actemra weekly). I'll be 83 in September.
My rheumatologist, who I really respect, had me reduce by .5 mg every 3-4 weeks after 10mg. You will feel better in many ways but probably fatigued; listen to your body. I'm thankful your doctor looks at the individual. I'm down to 3mg per day. Just had a bone scan last week and I was shocked; no osteoporosis, just osteopenia.
The medical field is still working on coming up with treatment without so many side effects, but it is all we have. My best to you💞

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Hi, You and I have a bit in common. I am 80 years old and was diagnosed with GCA last August. I had PMR diagnosed late 2015 and my blood meds showed remission about 2 years later. I forgot [almost] that I had had PMR.
Now with GCA, prednisone has given me a cocktail of side effects. My rheumatologist says no to prednisone being the cause but for me , the coincidence is just too much. I have sensory neuropathy which means my feet are partially numb , so I walk very carefully. I have also suddenly developed Atrial fibrillation . I have never had any suggestion of heart disease until now. My main source of pain is a lumbar stenosis. Yes, of course I have the chipmunk face . All of this has changed my life. Mostly I just want to stay at home. A fair bit of fatigue involved.
My current dose is 11mg down from 50 over several months. I see rheumatologist next Thursday. Eye specialist the following week and then cardiologist mid July.
I'm trying to keep positive and will Google possible dietary changes which may help. Thankyou for sharing your circumstances. Valerie.

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I am on the metrology pack of predesone. For a bit over a month I was taking one half pill every other day. Many flare-up! I am now on one pill a day, 4 mg. No flare-up. I do get bouts of fatigue that slow me down. My doctor most likely will put me on reg predesone in July and it looks like that will be permanent. I am 2 and one half years with PMR. So it will be permanent.

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@mlln46

I am on the metrology pack of predesone. For a bit over a month I was taking one half pill every other day. Many flare-up! I am now on one pill a day, 4 mg. No flare-up. I do get bouts of fatigue that slow me down. My doctor most likely will put me on reg predesone in July and it looks like that will be permanent. I am 2 and one half years with PMR. So it will be permanent.

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From what I understand, one of the reasons why we need to be on enough prednisone to take care of the inflammation is the risk of acquiring GCA (Giant Cell Arteritis. Make sure to keep your doctor informed of flares so they can adjust your dosage accordingly.
Input or correction aporeciated.

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@vellen

From what I understand, one of the reasons why we need to be on enough prednisone to take care of the inflammation is the risk of acquiring GCA (Giant Cell Arteritis. Make sure to keep your doctor informed of flares so they can adjust your dosage accordingly.
Input or correction aporeciated.

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Thank you! Fully agree.

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