PMR and prednisone

Posted by gramsof6 @gramsof6, Sep 19, 2024

I was diagnosed in April with PMR. Because it was mainly in my shoulders I saw an orthopedic surgeon who put me on an inflammatory. Shortly there after I had an appointment with my rheumatologist and diagnosed me promptly.
He started me on 5mg 2 to 3 a day of prednisone.
The problem is I am a diabetic but was only on metformin. Now I am using small doses of insulin. What I don't understand, did you stay on a consistent everyday?
On days I feel great I avoid taking my prednisone. Recently my pain is now in my thighs which is affecting my ability to walk. I have a granddaughter that plays college soccer, 2 granddaughters that play high school varsity soccer and we attend high school football games. This means that at least 4 times a week I am climbing bleachers. I believe this is a contributing factor to the thigh pain. I am OCD about my house, enjoy cooking and canning and I am also a quilter. I am finding these activities difficult too. I am really confused about the proper way I should be taking my prednisone. My rheumatologist is aware that I am concerned about my sugar and has not established a definite guide line for taking the prednisone. I use infrared heat, supplements, oils and Voltaren
I would appreciate any suggestions. I did receive a steroid injection in one arm because the bursa was so inflamed it caused a large painful bump. Has anyone tried physical therapy or massages? Today was horrible and I retreated to bed. I am so glad I found this group and am looking forward to any suggestions. We are planning a trip to Gatlinburg and would enjoy hiking. Thank you, Deb from Ohio

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@susanalka

Did you cut out sugar completely? I’m trying to substitute stevia, organic honey and blue agave. I also eat peanut butter for protein. Wondering if these products are as inflammatory as refined sugar ?

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Forgot to mention blue agave. It has 16gm of carbs plus 16gm of sugar per serving. Not a good choice. The tequila due to distillation has zero carbs or sugar. Drink away.

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Thanks, this is going to be challenging for me!

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@tuckerp

Forgot to mention blue agave. It has 16gm of carbs plus 16gm of sugar per serving. Not a good choice. The tequila due to distillation has zero carbs or sugar. Drink away.

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"The tequila due to distillation has zero carbs or sugar. Drink away."

Alcohol in moderation maybe but too much isn't so good.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11043057/
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I chuckle at the ultra low carb solution to prednisone side effects and inflammation. I couldn't find anything that was good to eat. Then I read an article that said eating causes inflammation.

"Experiencing inflammation after eating is a normal biological response."
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/new-study-significant-inflammatory-responses-meals.
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I do the best I can. I had a built in deterrent to eating with trigeminal neuralgia.

I'm laughing as I write the following recommendation for trigeminal neuralgia.

"Your mouth can also be a source of triggers. Brushing your teeth, eating, drinking, smiling, talking and kissing can trigger attacks. So consider eating softer foods so you don't have to chew as much."

I am happy I can laugh about it now. Sometimes being able to eat anything at all without getting a facial electric shock was challenging. "No chew foods" were loaded with carbs.

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@dadcue

"The tequila due to distillation has zero carbs or sugar. Drink away."

Alcohol in moderation maybe but too much isn't so good.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11043057/
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I chuckle at the ultra low carb solution to prednisone side effects and inflammation. I couldn't find anything that was good to eat. Then I read an article that said eating causes inflammation.

"Experiencing inflammation after eating is a normal biological response."
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/new-study-significant-inflammatory-responses-meals.
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I do the best I can. I had a built in deterrent to eating with trigeminal neuralgia.

I'm laughing as I write the following recommendation for trigeminal neuralgia.

"Your mouth can also be a source of triggers. Brushing your teeth, eating, drinking, smiling, talking and kissing can trigger attacks. So consider eating softer foods so you don't have to chew as much."

I am happy I can laugh about it now. Sometimes being able to eat anything at all without getting a facial electric shock was challenging. "No chew foods" were loaded with carbs.

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It is funny I guess is the word. I was on keto diet for the 2+ years and it took every bit of satisfaction from eating. I mentioned on another thread that the Mayo Dr. said to me my genetic cholesterol could not be fixed by diet. I am pretty sure thats American diet. Going out to eat with my wife became anything but romantic. By time I substituted for just about everything not much fun left. The good thing was she was more strict than I was.

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@tuckerp

It is funny I guess is the word. I was on keto diet for the 2+ years and it took every bit of satisfaction from eating. I mentioned on another thread that the Mayo Dr. said to me my genetic cholesterol could not be fixed by diet. I am pretty sure thats American diet. Going out to eat with my wife became anything but romantic. By time I substituted for just about everything not much fun left. The good thing was she was more strict than I was.

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You have to keep a sense of humor in spite of it all.

My daughter has familial hypercholesterolemia. We adopted her so she didn't get my genes. She is a hypochondriac but she never worries too much about her cholesterol levels. She has been on rosuvastatin for 20 years since she was diagnosed at age 15. She is the last person that you would suspect would have a high cholesterol level.

My daughter knows that some of my problems are hereditary. She is glad that she doesn't have my genes.

I never had high cholesterol until I was taking prednisone daily for PMR. I took atorvastatin for at least 10 years. My PCP started atorvastatin but it came as a recommendation from a cardiologist who started three blood pressure medications.

When I got off prednisone my cholesterol level was below normal so my rheumatologist stopped atorvastatin because "the statin might have been contributing to my symptoms." My endocrinologist didn't think my cholesterol level could be "too low" so he started Zetia. My PCP withheld her opinion about my cholesterol level. However, she was agreeable to stopping all my blood pressure medications because my blood pressure was too low.

My daughter was intrigued with my medication fiasco so she stopped her statin too. Her cardiologist wasn't too happy when her cholesterol level went up to 350.

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@tuckerp

Your PMR does sound very mild. Thats what makes this disease so hard for one to say this works when it doesnt work for someone else. I believe just from being on this site and a facebook site that my 6 months was fairly mild as well. I would almost question whether PMR was the correct diagnosis at 4mg. Prednisone can be used on almost any inflammatory disease or reaction. In any case, if it worked thats great. I started at 20mg. Pain was gone in 4 hours. Within the first 2 weeks you can play with the dosage to get to your lowest possible dose. After about 2 weeks the prednisone is supplying your cortisone and your body shuts down production. I went to 15mg after 2 days. No Pain. 2 days later I dropped to 10mg. No pain. 2 days later I dropped to 5mg and had trouble with movement. I went back to 10mg and no pain. I would try to taper about once a month to 5mg and was unable to taper. On the 5th month I tapered to 5mg and only slight pain. I went about 2 weeks on 5mg then tapered to 2.5mg. I had some slight discomfort but manageable. After 2 weeks I went to zero. I had some slight discomfort that an alleve would fix for 3 to 4 months. It took almost a year to feel like it was gone. To answer your question, I went by how well I responded to lower the dose. You can check sed rate and ESR but those tests were not elevated for me. The testing was not effective. I would continually try to reduce my prednisone. My opinion is you should move from 4mg to 3mg? see what happens and keep trying to reduce. Move as quickly as your body allows. The prednisone makes you feel wonderful but the long term use is pretty destructive.

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Thank you so much for your reply. I started taping last week very slowly. I went from 4 to 3 and I have no pain so far. I will go a week on 3 and then try to go down to 2. I’ll continue the slow taper. I go back to the rheumatologist next month. Looking forward to being off of prednisone and praying that my PMR is going into remission.

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@dadcue

You have to keep a sense of humor in spite of it all.

My daughter has familial hypercholesterolemia. We adopted her so she didn't get my genes. She is a hypochondriac but she never worries too much about her cholesterol levels. She has been on rosuvastatin for 20 years since she was diagnosed at age 15. She is the last person that you would suspect would have a high cholesterol level.

My daughter knows that some of my problems are hereditary. She is glad that she doesn't have my genes.

I never had high cholesterol until I was taking prednisone daily for PMR. I took atorvastatin for at least 10 years. My PCP started atorvastatin but it came as a recommendation from a cardiologist who started three blood pressure medications.

When I got off prednisone my cholesterol level was below normal so my rheumatologist stopped atorvastatin because "the statin might have been contributing to my symptoms." My endocrinologist didn't think my cholesterol level could be "too low" so he started Zetia. My PCP withheld her opinion about my cholesterol level. However, she was agreeable to stopping all my blood pressure medications because my blood pressure was too low.

My daughter was intrigued with my medication fiasco so she stopped her statin too. Her cardiologist wasn't too happy when her cholesterol level went up to 350.

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They put me on Lipitor back in 2000 and four years later i had a lesion rupture through my colon. It all cleared up when I stopped the Lipitor. I have not taken any medication since 2004. It wasn't until my PMR started that Mayo clinic sent me for an ultrasound of the carotid. I have the right side 100% blocked. The left side was 70%. They also did the testing for FH. I had the left carotid cleaned. I decided that ignoring my cholesterol was not working to well. That would be my only advice to your daughter.

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A little history. I had breast cancer 25 years ago. It is then that I realized we are what we eat. I went organic at home, not when eating out. Organic is now much easier than it was then. When you go organic you give up processed foods at the same time. Foods cost a little more, however their shelf life is longer, so not sure I spend more over time. You also learn you eat less because food taste better so you are sated sooner. I never used any sugar alternative, but I would listen to tuckerp about their knowledge based on keto experience.
I don't drink carbonated beverages. I drink my coffee black, no tea. Mainly water. I do drink 2-4 glasses wine per week. No desserts. Very low carbs. More colorful veggies. etc. Veggies like sweet potatoes and marshmallows don't even appeal to me any longer. Sweet potatoes, yes, sugar,no. Some veggies are very high in carbs.

Within 6 months my lipid panel looked better than it has in 20 years. Worth the journey. Not an easy journey but well worth the rewards. I did not lose any significant weight. I have a cousin who followed me and she has loss 20 pounds in addition to other rewards.

Hope this helps.

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@tuckerp

I went on a pretty strict keto diet for about 2 years. I could not go into keto because I had no energy at the low amount of carbs required. Carbs turn to sugar so the idea is limit as much sugar as possible. Stevia was considered the best sweetner. Most artificial sweetners were not recommended due to processing. Honey is nothing but sugar. Even organic. Peanut butter was a good snack. I like peanut butter. But 2 tablespoons of PB has about 5gm of carbs. Then what do you put the PB on? Ritz cracker? That blows it. Celery was my next choice. One stalk has about 1gm. Plus the 5gm of PB. You have eaten 7gm of your 20gm for the day. ughhh. It was too much for me.

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I know we have probably high-jacked the original comment. I have mentioned I have genetic cholesterol issues that Dr's say cant be solved by what I eat. I am a firm believer in you are what you eat. However, each of us seem to have come off the assembly line with one or more small changes to the original blueprint. No matter how slight it shows up somewhere. I also was lucky enough to inherit prostate cancer. I am on the Mayo forum. Its rather lengthy but here was a fellow forum member talking of diet in rather informational/humorous way.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/fork-prostate-cancer/

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