Perineural or Tarlov cysts

Posted by jenapower @jenapower, May 23, 2017

Hi, my name is Jennifer. I have commented on here before but I've never started a post. I have been told that I have fibromyalgia for a long time, I also have had a number of accidents with many broken bones and surgeries to put things back together. All of this has resulted in chronic pain, most of it is down my head/back/pelvis/spine and legs. In an effort to try to see more my doctor did a lumbar and pelvic MRI last week. Turns out I have a cyst on my spine called a perineural or Tarlov cyst. It's basically assistant starts at the nerve root and herniates out filling with spinal fluid. I guess there's like a leak from your spine to this cyst but the system itself is made up of nerves. It's the best of my understanding at this point. Mine is at the S2 location, and can cause pain from your back down your bottom and down your legs and includes some pretty severe headaches because it's upsetting the pressure of the spinal fluid around the brain. Again this is the best of my understanding of what I've been told. It certainly explains a lot of my symptoms that have been contributed to fibromyalgia and broken bones. Again they're not really sure what causes them but they think trauma in that area could be a contributor. I just wondered if anyone else had heard of this or experienced it. It is considered rare, i've come to find out there are only two doctors in the United States to do surgery on it. One of them that's all he does and he actually goes to other countries to help people that don't have access to a doctor that is experienced in this surgery. It's a long recovery and pretty scary surgery because they're messing with your new or nerve root I don't want to think about what the bad consequences could be although I know I have to. I think I've gotten to a point where I'm pretty much flat on my back every day and it's no life, so I'm actually happy to have an answer. If anybody else knows anything about this I would love to hear it or has any experience with the surgery.
Thank you, Jennifer

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@rkbunn

Hi Jennifer. I realize this is an old post. I too Have Tarlov Cyst at S2 and S3. Have you had surgery yet? I am Awaiting consult with Dr F out of Dallas. I dont Think anyone at Mayo truly acknowledges them as symptomatic or operates on them. I have Ruled out every possible thing leaving only the Tarlov Cyst. The vaginal pain is debilitating.

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@qball2019

@cookiegirl
I have been fighting these symptoms for 15 years and it wasn't until June 2018 when something triggered the cysts to compress nerves and kick into high gear. I researched for the best neurosurgeon that specializes in Tarlov cysts and went to see him. Looking back he could see that the cysts appeared on the very first MRI after my accident. They were ignored all these years because they are an "incidental finding". After having to learn about the healthcare system the hard way over the years I have a few pointers for you. I hope that you don't have to go through what I've been through!

Make sure you tell the radiology tech more about the cysts and what kind of symptoms you are experiencing. Tell them that you want ALL findings, including the incidental ones documented on the report. It's a crap shoot as to whether they decide to note the cysts. Some do & some don't. Giving them all the info. you can will definitely help in the outcome of most testing. This goes for all tests you are sent for.

You are your own best advocate. Don't settle for unanswered or ignored questions, concerns, symptoms, etc. Don't settle for doctors that refuse to acknowledge the cysts (most of them won't). I've read that Tarlov cysts are merely just mentioned in medical school and skipped over so most doctors don't know anything about them. They figure if the cysts could cause issues they would have learned about them. Don't just see doctors, also see physical therapists, and integrative/holistic providers as well. Explore all your options.

The most helpful website is https://www.tarlovcystfoundation.org/. The best neurosurgeon that specializes in Tarlov cysts is Dr. Frank Feigenbaum in Dallas,TX. It's worth the trip, trust me! I wish you the best of luck and if have any questions I'll answer to the best of my ability.

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Did you have surgery for your TCs? I have them, and was going to get a consult with Dr. F before the COVID shutdown, but have delayed starting with him due to pandemic.

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I’ve had a very “prominent” cyst for years. It’s mostly sacral but is so large it’s caused scalloping and remodeling of my sacrum. I’ve been told over and over these aren’t painful. That’s crap. It’s also affected my bladder and bowels. No one will touch it. Most of what I’ve read indicates the glue and surgery rarely work. That they quickly fill up again with spinal fluid.
I’d also read about the doctor in Texas and would like to know how you do. For me, it’s a good year recovering, most of our savings gone and I’ll be 80 in June. So, it doesn’t seem like a wise investment. Especially since my husband was recently diagnosed with Cerebral Amyloid Angiopathy.

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@rkbunn

Hi Jennifer. I realize this is an old post. I too Have Tarlov Cyst at S2 and S3. Have you had surgery yet? I am Awaiting consult with Dr F out of Dallas. I dont Think anyone at Mayo truly acknowledges them as symptomatic or operates on them. I have Ruled out every possible thing leaving only the Tarlov Cyst. The vaginal pain is debilitating.

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Just curious have you had a checkup at Mayo for Tarlov Cysts?
If so, which Doctor? Thank you.

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@summertime4

@mar2a An MRI 6 months ago showed a Tarlov cyst. I have had back issues for years with several diagnosis. I also have peripheral neuropathy. Doctors have been treating my pain with pain pills, Gabapentin, etc. I asked about the Tarlov cyst causing these problems and was told no. I do not believe that. I am all ears.

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Hi. I have 2 tarlov cysts on low spine, found when doing MRI for low back pain. Result. ..... Tarlov cysts cause no pain and are called inconsequential because they are found when looking for something else. But found NOTHING that could be causing my pain ....
I'm baffled. Tarlov Cysts that are full of nerves cause no pain?????
Who decided they cause no pain. A spine sergion repeated this and said, doesn't make a difference because no one knows how to treat them. Yet?????? Reading does say they can cause bone damage. Beyond baffled!
Anyone know if idiopathic really means idiots? Does this make sense to anyone?
Does anyone else believe if Gabapentin wasn't the answer for everyone for any kind of pain, someone might actually bother looking for the CAUSE of pain that millions of people taking Gabapentin have?' I've only been dealing with back pain for about a year... But no matter which doctor I see, Gabapentin is the answer. Well I have pain you may never find the cause, SO just take your Gabapentin and live with it. Sorry.... I know so many people that were on the wrong meds for years, and didn't find answers till taken off....

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@taml

Hi. I have 2 tarlov cysts on low spine, found when doing MRI for low back pain. Result. ..... Tarlov cysts cause no pain and are called inconsequential because they are found when looking for something else. But found NOTHING that could be causing my pain ....
I'm baffled. Tarlov Cysts that are full of nerves cause no pain?????
Who decided they cause no pain. A spine sergion repeated this and said, doesn't make a difference because no one knows how to treat them. Yet?????? Reading does say they can cause bone damage. Beyond baffled!
Anyone know if idiopathic really means idiots? Does this make sense to anyone?
Does anyone else believe if Gabapentin wasn't the answer for everyone for any kind of pain, someone might actually bother looking for the CAUSE of pain that millions of people taking Gabapentin have?' I've only been dealing with back pain for about a year... But no matter which doctor I see, Gabapentin is the answer. Well I have pain you may never find the cause, SO just take your Gabapentin and live with it. Sorry.... I know so many people that were on the wrong meds for years, and didn't find answers till taken off....

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I am with you.

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A Tarlov cysts was found in my back during an MRI. I was given the same answer as you. "Huh, well I don't don't know". Seems strange that I also have numerous back problems and severe pain. Yup, Gabapentin. Help- NO.

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@taml

Hi. I have 2 tarlov cysts on low spine, found when doing MRI for low back pain. Result. ..... Tarlov cysts cause no pain and are called inconsequential because they are found when looking for something else. But found NOTHING that could be causing my pain ....
I'm baffled. Tarlov Cysts that are full of nerves cause no pain?????
Who decided they cause no pain. A spine sergion repeated this and said, doesn't make a difference because no one knows how to treat them. Yet?????? Reading does say they can cause bone damage. Beyond baffled!
Anyone know if idiopathic really means idiots? Does this make sense to anyone?
Does anyone else believe if Gabapentin wasn't the answer for everyone for any kind of pain, someone might actually bother looking for the CAUSE of pain that millions of people taking Gabapentin have?' I've only been dealing with back pain for about a year... But no matter which doctor I see, Gabapentin is the answer. Well I have pain you may never find the cause, SO just take your Gabapentin and live with it. Sorry.... I know so many people that were on the wrong meds for years, and didn't find answers till taken off....

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I have 2 tarlov cysts which the doctors have seen for 4 years. I have pain in my vulva so they think maybe since the cysts are pushing on the nerve it is causing my pain. Dr. Patel in Atlanta would do the surgery. He was not sure if he could get to the cysts to drain them. He said if he drained them there was only a 30% chance it would relieve the pain. What are the names of the 2 doctors who drain cysts? I atlease want someone who does this mor often. Thanks for your help

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@francesmharris123

I have 2 tarlov cysts which the doctors have seen for 4 years. I have pain in my vulva so they think maybe since the cysts are pushing on the nerve it is causing my pain. Dr. Patel in Atlanta would do the surgery. He was not sure if he could get to the cysts to drain them. He said if he drained them there was only a 30% chance it would relieve the pain. What are the names of the 2 doctors who drain cysts? I atlease want someone who does this mor often. Thanks for your help

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The specialists are Dr. Frank Feigenbaum in Dallas, TX, Dr. Rudolph Schrot in Sacramento, CA, and Dr. Fraser Henderson in Silver Spring, MD. If you need more information, you can go to the Tarlov Cyst Disease Foundation website (search in Google). Click on the hamburger to access the sidebar. Then, click on "Find a Doctor" and scroll down.

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