Pancreatic Cancer Surgery Q&A July 21-25 w/ Dr. Poruk, Mayo Clinic

Posted by katherineporukmd @katherineporukmd, Jul 17 4:36pm

Meet Dr. Katherine Poruk, a surgical oncologist at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida, specializing in complex pancreatic cancer surgeries. Dr. Poruk and her team have performed high volumes of both robotic and open Whipple procedures, and her research focuses on improving outcomes through advanced surgical techniques, precision medicine, and multidisciplinary care.

To learn more about Dr. Poruk and pancreatic cancer surgery at Mayo Clinic in Florida, please visit: https://careinfo.mayoclinic.org/pancreatic-cancer-surgery-fl

During the week of July 21-25, Dr. Poruk will be available to answer your questions about pancreatic cancer surgery here in this discussion thread.

Please note: This Q&A is for informational purposes only and cannot provide individualized medical advice.

Submit your question by commenting below before 9 a.m. ET on Friday, July 25. You’ll receive a Mayo Clinic Connect notification when Dr. Poruk replies to your question.

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Profile picture for gamaryanne @gamaryanne

Dr question:
Do you find that SBRT designates the target tumor but may also “awaken” dormant cancer cells?

Also, if someone is NED, how long should one continue systemic therapy to hopefully accomplish “cured”?

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Thank you for your questions. I would defer your question regarding systemic therapy and NED to one of our medical oncologists, as there are many factors they consider as to whether to continue chemotherapy or switch to surveillance imaging. With regards to radiation therapy, we tend to use this both as a treatment for unresectable tumors as well as a way to kill tumors and ensure a negative margin at surgery. I have not seen any research that shows it may awaken dormant cancer cells.

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Profile picture for reiki234 @reiki234

Has anyone had ampullary cancer and had the Whipple Procedure?
Posted by reiki234 @reiki234, 5 days ago
I was diagnosed with ampullary cancer as I had a blockage to my bile duct and had the Whipple Procedure which I am recuperating from and it has been 6 weeks recovery this week. Luckily the mass (stage 2) was taken out and it did not go beyond the margins and my 16 lymph nodes are fine. So technically at this point I am cancer free or in remission. I was referred to a cancer specialist to talk about preventative cancer which would be a 6month aggressive chemo and radiation treatments. If I have the treatment I asked what would be the recurrence factor and the doctor says 50/50. I also add that there is no real data for patients with this cancer as my doctor told me as it is a rare cancer but not uncommon. Please let me know if you have any insights regarding this type of cancer and your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you!

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I am glad you are doing well after surgery. In general, every patient is different, and each tumor has its own biology that requires individualized treatment. I usually recommend to my patients with tumors in the pancreas, bile duct, or ampulla that surgery alone is not curative; treatment usually requires a combination of surgery (to remove the tumor where it is and sample lymph nodes) and chemotherapy to prevent the tumor from coming back. Patients with the best survival are mainly those treated with both chemotherapy and surgery. While I cannot speak to the exact reason that radiation was recommended after your operation, we tend to reserve these for patients with tumor that has been left behind (a positive margin). However, this also requires an individualized discussion with a radiation oncologist. If there is any uncertainty about the plan, I never hesitate to have a patient get a second opinion (whether it is about surgery, chemotherapy, or radiation).

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Profile picture for markymarkfl @markymarkfl

Thanks to moderators for setting this up and to all the docs for participating!

For Dr. Poruk:

Same question I posed to Dr. Stauffer in his discussion ( https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/pancreatic-cancer-qa-with-dr-stauffer-mayo-surgeon-may-29/ ) which was inspired by a paper you co-authored in 2016 ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27215900/ ):

"Given the high rate of recurrence after Whipple, what are your latest thoughts on total pancreatectomy, especially for younger PDAC patients or patients with mutations predisposing them to more PDAC development?"

What are the other major concerns beyond lifetime enzyme and insulin dependence, which a patient may already have?

Also, how difficult is it to preserve a spleen when doing a distal or total pancreatectomy?

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There are many factors that go into a decision to remove the entire pancreas. In general, it is rarely done for pancreas adenocarcinoma when we are able to do a Whipple or a distal pancreatectomy. Mainly, this is because the vast majority of recurrences are not within the pancreas, but are to distant organs such as the liver or lungs. Removing the whole pancreas does not seem to prevent this. For cases of cancer, we do not preserve the spleen, as there are important lymph nodes near the spleen that need to be removed to properly "stage" the cancer. We will rarely preserve the spleen for pre-cancerous lesions or certain types of neuroendocrine cancers, but this also depends on many patient factors.

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Profile picture for markymarkfl @markymarkfl

Can you describe how the intraoperative pathology is performed during a Whipple procedure to determine if margins are clear or if another cut is needed?

e.g., is it purely microscope-driven, human examination of cells, or is there any kind of machine/scanner assistance? What advancements are being made to help surgeons know when they've made enough cuts to eliminate recurrence?

Are recurrences at the surgical site typically the result of overlooked cancer cells at the boundary, cancer cells that were already present deeper in the remnant pancreas, cancer stem cells that later developed or differentiated their way into mature cancer cells, or something else?

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It is important to understand that surgical margins are not always assessed at the time of surgery at many cancer centers; there are studies that are often debated in the surgical community which do not show a difference in recurrence due to a positive margin. It is very surgeon-specific. At Mayo Clinic, we do assess margins in the operating room as we feel it is important to ensure all the cancer has been removed. This is done as a frozen assessment, and it is done by review by a trained pathologist looking at the margins. This is highly accurate but not always perfect and may change when the final pathology is determined 3-5 days after surgery. This has also been looked at extensively in the literature. However, as previously mentioned, most patients recur with disease outside of the pancreas, likely due to small cancer cells that had already been released into the blood stream before surgery. This is why chemotherapy is such an important part of treatment for pancreatic adenocarcinoma, whether or not a patient has surgery. This is also why some centers do not check intraoperative margins – it is not clearly known if disease that is left behind contributes to distant recurrence.

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Profile picture for markymarkfl @markymarkfl

Can you please elaborate on the differences between a pylorus-preserving Whipple and a traditional Whipple?

Perspectives of interest are on difficulty getting clean margins vs chance of recurrence, and patient outcome regarding a return to normal digestion and bowel function.

Thank you again for addressing any of the above and for all your work and dedication fighting this disease!

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I tell all of my patients that the best chance of cure and long-term survival is with a combination of surgery and chemotherapy. Surgery is needed to remove all of the tumor with clear margins, and chemotherapy to treat microscopic disease that may be in the blood stream and prevent it from coming back. The difficult thing about pancreas cancer is that it is often the biology of a specific tumor that drives its aggressiveness; a patient can have a clean operation (all margins negative), and it can still come back in a distant organ. This is why chemotherapy is so important – it is not a local recurrence that tends to lead to low survival, but disease that goes to the liver or other organs. With regards to digestion after surgery, it depends on the type of operation. Tumors that are removed with a distal pancreatectomy or splenectomy do not involve any bowel resection, and I expect my patients to have normal eating habits 2-3 months after surgery. With a Whipple, there is a re-plumbing of the bowel. For this reason, some patients may lose weight after surgery, but after 2-3 months I expect patients to get back to normal with eating and maintain their weight. However, most may need to stay on small, frequent meals throughout the day.

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Profile picture for marienewland @mnewland99

Recently discovered the largest of my peritoneal nodules, 1.5cm is abutting the appendix. Does it make sense to do a very noninvasive removal of appendix or portion of the appendix to get rid of that nodule to avoid it actually invading the appendix given the risk of potential "seeding"?

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I am sorry to hear about your disease. I unfortunately am unable to comment on this, given there are many factors that go into a surgeon's decision to operate for peritoneal tumors.

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Profile picture for hakanb @hakanb

Hello doctor, I was diagnosed in August 2023 and underwent 12 cycles of Folfirinox and 3 months of gemcitabine chemotherapy. The liver metastases were eliminated with ablation surgery.
Today, the cancer has metastasized to the liver again.
I have no pain, I haven't lost weight, and my daily life continues as usual. My doctor said that your pancreatic cancer does not follow the textbook. The tumor in the pancreas and liver will be removed through surgery. What is your opinion on this? Is it worth trying?

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I'm sorry to learn of your diagnosis. Unfortunately, we're not able to provide personalized medical advice in this type of public forum. All patients and tumors are different with respect to their response to chemotherapy, and thus how we may or may not approach them surgically. However, we wish you the best in your care journey.

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Profile picture for markymarkfl @markymarkfl

Can you please elaborate on the differences between a pylorus-preserving Whipple and a traditional Whipple?

Perspectives of interest are on difficulty getting clean margins vs chance of recurrence, and patient outcome regarding a return to normal digestion and bowel function.

Thank you again for addressing any of the above and for all your work and dedication fighting this disease!

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A pylorus-preserving Whipple preserves the entire stomach, while the traditional Whipple takes a small piece of the stomach. There are different reasons why each are performed, and it is often related to the location of your tumor and other factors. It is a good discussion to have with your surgeon if you are discussing a possible Whipple operation.

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Profile picture for katherineporukmd @katherineporukmd

The best treatment for any pancreas adenocarcinoma that has spread is chemotherapy. This is because chemotherapy will treat all the sites of disease. This is true for liver metastases, lung metastases, and peritoneal disease. Surgery is rarely an option, and for a highly specialized center to consider it, there must be stability of the disease after at least 9 to 12 months of chemotherapy. Rarely, a patient may be considered for surgery with peritoneal disease, but this is in the setting of a clinical trial currently offered at the Mayo Clinic, based on specific guidelines and very little metastatic disease.

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And if for some reason I needed an emergency appendectomy, I would not get one?

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Profile picture for katherineporukmd @katherineporukmd

I am sorry to hear about your disease. I unfortunately am unable to comment on this, given there are many factors that go into a surgeon's decision to operate for peritoneal tumors.

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I understand.

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