Pain And Changes In Weather...Am I Alone????

Posted by cahnny @cahnny, Sep 10, 2016

I’ve read articles saying that changes in weather can effect severity of pain and, of course, there’s the old timers who swear the old bones ache when it’s gonna rain. Well I guess, at 70 years old, I’m now an old timer and, let me tell you…my old bones and muscles, and skin, and hair HURT. There are days I hurt from neuropathy and Morton’s Neuroma in my feet and legs, to profound itching along my degenerating spine (I think due to pinches nerves), to aching joints, swollen cysts behind my arthritic knees, gut discomfort from IBS, pinched nerves EVERYWHERE to neck pain that goes down my arms, to skin that just feels sore and tingly. I’m talking all these things all at the same time. It’s like someone flipped a switch and lit me up like a roman candle. One doctor will say…that could very well be. Another doctor will say poppy cock. Well poppy cock this…I know my body and I know how it feels and I know it’s not in my head. Now it might be coming FROM my head…as in mixed up signals from the brain saying YOU’RE IN PAIN but the pain and sensations are real.

I needed a new bedside alarm clock so purchased a clock that also provides barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity readings. It seems, without fail, on days when there is a dramatic swing in barometric pressure my body goes into all over intense pain mode. Do any of you have the same experiences??? I’m not talking just a little aching. I’m talking REAL discomfort.

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@concernedmtnmom

Have you checked your Vitamin D levels? Deficiency can wreak havoc
everywhere…joints, skin, general muscle pain, blood pressure, heart rate.
50,000 IU per week can change your life. Blood test will tell you in less
than a week.

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We need to check n the vitamin D levels. I have been told that a minimum of 5000 a day of vitamin D is necessary .

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@concernedmtnmom

Have you checked your Vitamin D levels? Deficiency can wreak havoc
everywhere…joints, skin, general muscle pain, blood pressure, heart rate.
50,000 IU per week can change your life. Blood test will tell you in less
than a week.

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5,000 is probably excessive unless you have absorption problems. I’d suggest that you keep the intake modest, as stated above, at least until you have a blood level.

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@concernedmtnmom

Have you checked your Vitamin D levels? Deficiency can wreak havoc
everywhere…joints, skin, general muscle pain, blood pressure, heart rate.
50,000 IU per week can change your life. Blood test will tell you in less
than a week.

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Vitamin D: Here are some vetted resources about vitamin D, including dosage, recommendations and evidence.
– From the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/vitamin-d/background/hrb-20060400
– From the National Institutes of Health https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/

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Its a good idea to linger on Vitamin D a bit since it brings up the broader issue that there are some nutrients that are easily available as supplements which people are assuming that more is always better. Along with vitamin D, potassium, magnesium and b-complex come to mind. High potassium is a danger to elderly folks with heart issues, high magnesium acts like a calcium channel blocker, some b vitamins in high doses are linked to cancer progression. etc. All of these nutrients have a sweet spot in their serum and cellular levels within which they can be a huge help. On either end of the curve however, they start turning toxic. Its a boring idea borrowed from toxicology, “Hormesis”, but it applies. Unless a danger of deficiency exists its probably wise to assume that less-is-more, especially as you get older.

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@johnwburns

Its a good idea to linger on Vitamin D a bit since it brings up the broader issue that there are some nutrients that are easily available as supplements which people are assuming that more is always better. Along with vitamin D, potassium, magnesium and b-complex come to mind. High potassium is a danger to elderly folks with heart issues, high magnesium acts like a calcium channel blocker, some b vitamins in high doses are linked to cancer progression. etc. All of these nutrients have a sweet spot in their serum and cellular levels within which they can be a huge help. On either end of the curve however, they start turning toxic. Its a boring idea borrowed from toxicology, “Hormesis”, but it applies. Unless a danger of deficiency exists its probably wise to assume that less-is-more, especially as you get older.

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@johnwburns, your emphasis on “especially as you get older” is important for all of the nutrients you mentioned. But as you suggest, younger people as well as senior citizens should be careful not to take in excessive amounts of any of them. Finding the “sweet spot” is a highly individualized search, preferably under supervision by a physician.

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@johnwburns

Its a good idea to linger on Vitamin D a bit since it brings up the broader issue that there are some nutrients that are easily available as supplements which people are assuming that more is always better. Along with vitamin D, potassium, magnesium and b-complex come to mind. High potassium is a danger to elderly folks with heart issues, high magnesium acts like a calcium channel blocker, some b vitamins in high doses are linked to cancer progression. etc. All of these nutrients have a sweet spot in their serum and cellular levels within which they can be a huge help. On either end of the curve however, they start turning toxic. Its a boring idea borrowed from toxicology, “Hormesis”, but it applies. Unless a danger of deficiency exists its probably wise to assume that less-is-more, especially as you get older.

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Absolutely. More broadly, fixating on stove-piped solutions is rarely a good idea.

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@concernedmtnmom

Have you checked your Vitamin D levels? Deficiency can wreak havoc
everywhere…joints, skin, general muscle pain, blood pressure, heart rate.
50,000 IU per week can change your life. Blood test will tell you in less
than a week.

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Excellent!!!!!

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@concernedmtnmom

Have you checked your Vitamin D levels? Deficiency can wreak havoc
everywhere…joints, skin, general muscle pain, blood pressure, heart rate.
50,000 IU per week can change your life. Blood test will tell you in less
than a week.

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Oh, my, I’m afraid I wasn’t clear enough in my suggestion to look into Vit. D. Of course I meant to check with your doctor first, as you always should. I thought that was understood when I mentioned a blood test…I assume you need a doctor for that! As for how much, a single dose of 50,000 IU requires a prescription, so again, I was thinking you’d consult a doctor. The other posters here are right, you shouldn’t take a bunch of supplements without consulting your doctor first. Vitamin D deficiency is very common now, especially north of Tennessee. But your doctor should help you on all this. I do hope you get relief!

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I take 50,000 IU a week because my blood test show a deficiency. I have a deficiency because of poor absorption due to the fact that I had to have part of my bowels removed. it is important that you have blood tests to determine if you need this much.

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@colleenyoung

Hi @cahnny, when we mention a person with @name, then they receive an email notice that they’ve been mentioned in a post. We use this to bring members into a conversation who we think may have something to contribute. Alyse tagged Bill, Omega and Salena for this very reason. Sometimes we can make a more exact match, sometimes the match isn’t exact, but we know they have spoken about a related topic. Luckily members will jump into the conversation without being tagged, like @concernedmtnmom @predictable @slavinray did in this case. For that we are very grateful.

I provided more tips and tricks about navigating Connect to the discussion you started here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/this-is-a-confusing-place

Coincidentally, @johnwburns posted a topic today about seasonal weather changes. In this case he was referring to the incidence of severe bradyarrhythmias. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/seasonal-weather-changes-and-incidence-of-severe-bradyarrhythmias/ but I’d be interested in his thoughts on pain and weather changes.

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@colleenyoung this is SO strange. I'm sitting here in such intense pain that I decided to give a search one more try on Bing regarding intense nerve pain. Low and behold I found this post that I wrote 5 long years ago. I will say that not much has changed except the nerve pain is more intense these days, especially in my neck and shoulders. I checked your profile and see you are still active with the Mayo Clinic. If you have any guidance as to articles here I could read that might give me at least some reassurance that I'm not crazy. I still think that weather has a profound effect on the pain I experience. We've had some really nasty rain events in the Pacific Northwest this last week. Not getting much sleep. The doctor has me on Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen and or Acetaminophen with limits set for a 24 hour period of time for both medications. Sometimes it helps and sometimes not so much. As for the weather theory, I get the feeling the doctor is humoring me and doesn't really think weather makes much difference. As far as getting more opinions from other doctors, I've pretty much had it. I'm getting too old for doctor hopping and, to tell the truth, I hate leaving the house. I live strictly on SS so money is tight and I've been dealing with medical issues most of my life starting with RA when I was just a child. I think I've had my fill of more doctors. I'm now in a wheelchair and using oxygen so exercise is limited but I move around as much as I can. So why am I here? Just looking for little self help tips that might give me some kind of pain relief if only for a few hours at a time. Even a good night's sleep would be wonderful.

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@cahnny

@colleenyoung this is SO strange. I'm sitting here in such intense pain that I decided to give a search one more try on Bing regarding intense nerve pain. Low and behold I found this post that I wrote 5 long years ago. I will say that not much has changed except the nerve pain is more intense these days, especially in my neck and shoulders. I checked your profile and see you are still active with the Mayo Clinic. If you have any guidance as to articles here I could read that might give me at least some reassurance that I'm not crazy. I still think that weather has a profound effect on the pain I experience. We've had some really nasty rain events in the Pacific Northwest this last week. Not getting much sleep. The doctor has me on Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen and or Acetaminophen with limits set for a 24 hour period of time for both medications. Sometimes it helps and sometimes not so much. As for the weather theory, I get the feeling the doctor is humoring me and doesn't really think weather makes much difference. As far as getting more opinions from other doctors, I've pretty much had it. I'm getting too old for doctor hopping and, to tell the truth, I hate leaving the house. I live strictly on SS so money is tight and I've been dealing with medical issues most of my life starting with RA when I was just a child. I think I've had my fill of more doctors. I'm now in a wheelchair and using oxygen so exercise is limited but I move around as much as I can. So why am I here? Just looking for little self help tips that might give me some kind of pain relief if only for a few hours at a time. Even a good night's sleep would be wonderful.

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@cahnny Hello, I'm Rachel its nice to meet you. I'm so sorry to read of your health issues. RA since childhood is quite the journey. I'm curious of your age… as you say you are getting too old.

I commend you on looking for self help tools. Sometimes the road leads us to using our own strengths and abilities to take control over of our health as best we can. Unfortunately your sleep disruptions may be affected by hydrocodone. You mention sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't. I took hydrocodone for pain and realized that it was causing additional problems called hyperalgesia. Hyperalgesia is induced pain which of course is counter productive in the quest for relief. Opiates are double edged swords. May I ask how long you've taken hydrocodone?

Ok, enough about that. Lets talk self help! Yes, weather has a definite impact on our bodies but not much we can do about the weather except move to a different climate, and I don't know about you, but that is not happening for me! I'm bound to the great northeast. There are many self help tools. I learned a ton from attending the Mayo Clinic Pain Rehabilitation Center. Here's some good ones:

Pain/stress management:
– speak with a psychologist or therapist
– physical activity/exercise (even from a wheelchair)
– keep a gratitude journal
– replace negative thoughts with positive thoughts
– socialization and distraction, humor, movies, books
– practice relaxation techniques, meditation, breathing exercises
– manage the day with structure and a schedule
– ask for help and delegate when needed
– healthy diet, low sugar, protein, veggies
– drink plenty of water
– set small daily goals and hold yourself accountable
– give yourself grace

I'm more than happy to elaborate on any if you'd like. It takes hard work to implement these self help tools with consistency but there are rewards if you persevere.

@cahnny What self help tools do you currently use? Do they help you and can you see yourself using them more?

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@rwinney

@cahnny Hello, I'm Rachel its nice to meet you. I'm so sorry to read of your health issues. RA since childhood is quite the journey. I'm curious of your age… as you say you are getting too old.

I commend you on looking for self help tools. Sometimes the road leads us to using our own strengths and abilities to take control over of our health as best we can. Unfortunately your sleep disruptions may be affected by hydrocodone. You mention sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't. I took hydrocodone for pain and realized that it was causing additional problems called hyperalgesia. Hyperalgesia is induced pain which of course is counter productive in the quest for relief. Opiates are double edged swords. May I ask how long you've taken hydrocodone?

Ok, enough about that. Lets talk self help! Yes, weather has a definite impact on our bodies but not much we can do about the weather except move to a different climate, and I don't know about you, but that is not happening for me! I'm bound to the great northeast. There are many self help tools. I learned a ton from attending the Mayo Clinic Pain Rehabilitation Center. Here's some good ones:

Pain/stress management:
– speak with a psychologist or therapist
– physical activity/exercise (even from a wheelchair)
– keep a gratitude journal
– replace negative thoughts with positive thoughts
– socialization and distraction, humor, movies, books
– practice relaxation techniques, meditation, breathing exercises
– manage the day with structure and a schedule
– ask for help and delegate when needed
– healthy diet, low sugar, protein, veggies
– drink plenty of water
– set small daily goals and hold yourself accountable
– give yourself grace

I'm more than happy to elaborate on any if you'd like. It takes hard work to implement these self help tools with consistency but there are rewards if you persevere.

@cahnny What self help tools do you currently use? Do they help you and can you see yourself using them more?

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Hi Rachel: Thank you for taking the time to reply. To answer your first two questions….I will be 76 in January. I've been taking 10/325 hydrocodone/acetaminophen for years. I've lost track now but I think it's been at least 7 or 8 years. I just looked up hyperalgesia on Web MD and it makes sense to me. A number of times recently I've said to my husband…." I swear that sometime the pain gets worse instead of better soon after I take my dose of hydrocodone". Maybe I should be calling it generic Norco. I am positive the most severe pain I am experiencing is definitely nerve pain. I have also told my husband I think I have nerve damage of some kind that is causing a more intense sensitivity to pain so this all makes a lot of sense.
I am using many of the self help techniques you mentioned. They do help to some degree. I've had no luck with the one I was most interested in and that's meditation. OMG…my mind goes crazy when I try it plus I can't get into a comfortable position so my mind keeps focusing on the pain I'm feeling. I keep trying from time to time though.

I think I want to focus on the medication end of this situation to start. At times I get more pain relief from 1000 mg of acetaminophen than one 10/325 hydro/acetamin . I will contact my primary. My primary is not an MD He is a PA-C…. a certified physician assistant with 20 years experience. Obviously over the years I have seen many specialists but not recently. There are other issues regarding choosing a doctor and doctor's visits but I consider that to personal to discuss on an open forum.

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