Not locally advanced--it's actually stage 4

Posted by ncteacher @ncteacher, Apr 7, 2023

Well, that was a surprise. All the scans showed my cancer contained to the pancreas. Yesterday's laparoscopy, unfortunately, showed that it has spread to the diaphragm and maybe a couple of other spots. So in the space of 3-4 weeks, I've gone from totally healthy to stage 4. The lap procedure went well, and I feel fine. We installed a chemo port, and we'll see the med onc Monday morning. The goal, of course, is to beat it, but knowing that is unlikely, we'll also aim for quality and quantity of life and comfort along the way. Meanwhile, I will be looking at resources here and elsewhere and, yes, making plans so everything is organized for my husband and kids. Whew.

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@tomrennie

Do you know what kind of cancerous tumors you have? For example, I have stage IV pancreatic cancer with neuroendocrine tumors. Please ask away. Some one on here has valuable input but the type of tumor makes a difference on treatment. I hope I am making sense?

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OK thanks, that makes sense. I do not know what specific type of tumor I have; neuroendocrine was not mentioned, but nothing else was either. As you say, the specific type makes a difference in the treatment plan. It's my understanding that that's why they'll test the tissue samples--to see exactly what they are and what they might respond best to. We'll start with the modified Folfirinox until we have those results. The testing will be done by Caris and is called next-generation sequencing. It's supposed to provide detailed molecular profiling including DNA, RNA and proteins to help target the cancer with specific medications.

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I am understanding what you are telling me, I don't know why you need all of that info from molecular testing. Has any else had that done? What are the treatment benefits when the type of cancer hasn't been communicated? Identified? The doctor seems to keep testing when he already gave you a shelf life. Why consume your time? Teacher, I am still learning like most of us. But they are the questions that immediately came to mind. I hope to learn with you.

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@ncteacher

OK thanks, that makes sense. I do not know what specific type of tumor I have; neuroendocrine was not mentioned, but nothing else was either. As you say, the specific type makes a difference in the treatment plan. It's my understanding that that's why they'll test the tissue samples--to see exactly what they are and what they might respond best to. We'll start with the modified Folfirinox until we have those results. The testing will be done by Caris and is called next-generation sequencing. It's supposed to provide detailed molecular profiling including DNA, RNA and proteins to help target the cancer with specific medications.

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I just looked up Caris. Very interesting. Now I am really curious to see what folks say. If it works, that is so cool.

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@ncteacher

OK, saw the medical oncologist this morning and have much more info. He said the scans clearly show the mass in the body of the pancreas, but nothing else. However, his visual check during the laparoscopy shows several small, flat spots of cancer throughout the abdomen. He described it as if someone had flicked their fingers and sprinkled a drop here and a drop there. They're too tiny to appear on the scans, but he can see them. I'm going to begin chemo on 4/24--modified Folfirinox regimen. I need to quit my job and go on part-time disability if they'll approve it. I still have very few effects from the cancer, just an occasional light backache and sometimes off-appetite, but nothing else. The MD is estimating I'll start to feel more effects by June or July. He is estimating 1-3 years survival, so our new motto, to misquote Buzz Lightyear, "To 3 years and beyond!" One more intriguing side note: The MD said that in 20 years of practice, I am the first patient he's met whose cancer was discovered during screening/preventative assessments. Oh yeah, we're going to test the tissue samples to determine whether this chemo regimen is the best or whether there is another combo of drugs that might be more effective.

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Glad to hear the screening was helpful. Multiple family members have BRCA, predisposing them to a variety of cancers, including pancreatic cancer. Thank you for sharing your story, hope your cancer journey is smooth.

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Hello, a comment about molecular testing. I had 2 lung surgeries, different lungs. Caris did molecular testing on first tumor. Went to Mayo for second tumor removal, their labs did molecular testing on that tumor. Result completely impacted the next steps/options for treatment (Tagrisso). My advice - BE SURE YOUR INSURANCE WILL PAY! Mine denied both claims ($3810.00 for one, $5325.00 for the other). Rationale given included, "There is not enough evidence found in the medical literature to show that this testing is effective for managing your condition. The health plan does not cover tests that are not considered to be medically necessary for your care." The denial states the exclusion in my benefit plan (provided by a nationally recognized insurance company - thru my employer, but they are also huge as a Medicare provider) "...the fact that an Experimental or Investigational or Unproven Service, treatment, device or pharmacological regimen is the only available treatment for a particular condition will not result in Benefits if the procedure is considered to be Experimental or Investigational or Unproven in the treatment of that particular condition."

Just a heads up. I had assumed the information garnered from the tumor analysis to be vital and a standard of care. I was wrong and paying the price for my ignorance!

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I appreciate everyone's concern about the Caris testing. Here's my take on it: I am not operable and likely never will be. BTW, I have pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma, stage 4, head, wrapped around blood vessels. So chemo is my only line of defense. If we can determine the most effective, specific chemo regimen for my cancer cell type, whether that's modified FOLFIRINOX or some other combo, that seems like a wise move to me. I don't see it as any different than traveling to get a second opinion (which would be pointless for me anyway). To look at it another way, Caris IS the second opinion. Some years ago, we traveled to NYC and Philadelphia to give our younger son the best clubfoot care possible. (We are adoptive parents, and he joined us with the results of inappropriate surgery and treatment in his country of origin.) We know how expensive airline flights, hotels, food, cabs etc. are, and none of that is covered by insurance--it's all out of pocket. In this case, Caris is in network for traditional Medicare A/B and my supplement, so I am hopeful that while we may owe a copay, it won't be the total cost. If it is, we are fortunate that we can handle it. It does help that our kids are mostly on their own; we still have a son in grad school and a son in undergraduate school, but our daughters are out and working. Those were rough years financially, but we're in better shape now, and that helps.

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Thanks for sharing your story

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@ncteacher

I appreciate everyone's concern about the Caris testing. Here's my take on it: I am not operable and likely never will be. BTW, I have pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma, stage 4, head, wrapped around blood vessels. So chemo is my only line of defense. If we can determine the most effective, specific chemo regimen for my cancer cell type, whether that's modified FOLFIRINOX or some other combo, that seems like a wise move to me. I don't see it as any different than traveling to get a second opinion (which would be pointless for me anyway). To look at it another way, Caris IS the second opinion. Some years ago, we traveled to NYC and Philadelphia to give our younger son the best clubfoot care possible. (We are adoptive parents, and he joined us with the results of inappropriate surgery and treatment in his country of origin.) We know how expensive airline flights, hotels, food, cabs etc. are, and none of that is covered by insurance--it's all out of pocket. In this case, Caris is in network for traditional Medicare A/B and my supplement, so I am hopeful that while we may owe a copay, it won't be the total cost. If it is, we are fortunate that we can handle it. It does help that our kids are mostly on their own; we still have a son in grad school and a son in undergraduate school, but our daughters are out and working. Those were rough years financially, but we're in better shape now, and that helps.

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I think you should find a hospital, usually university connected, that offers the Magnetic Resonance adaptive Radiation Therapy for your cancer. Check out a video about it on The Sloan Kettering hospital website. It is now the only possible curative protocol for your type (my husband’s type) of inoperable stage IV cancer. First Firenox chemo and then this type of radiation. Anything else is considered palliative.

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@ncteacher

I appreciate everyone's concern about the Caris testing. Here's my take on it: I am not operable and likely never will be. BTW, I have pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma, stage 4, head, wrapped around blood vessels. So chemo is my only line of defense. If we can determine the most effective, specific chemo regimen for my cancer cell type, whether that's modified FOLFIRINOX or some other combo, that seems like a wise move to me. I don't see it as any different than traveling to get a second opinion (which would be pointless for me anyway). To look at it another way, Caris IS the second opinion. Some years ago, we traveled to NYC and Philadelphia to give our younger son the best clubfoot care possible. (We are adoptive parents, and he joined us with the results of inappropriate surgery and treatment in his country of origin.) We know how expensive airline flights, hotels, food, cabs etc. are, and none of that is covered by insurance--it's all out of pocket. In this case, Caris is in network for traditional Medicare A/B and my supplement, so I am hopeful that while we may owe a copay, it won't be the total cost. If it is, we are fortunate that we can handle it. It does help that our kids are mostly on their own; we still have a son in grad school and a son in undergraduate school, but our daughters are out and working. Those were rough years financially, but we're in better shape now, and that helps.

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Sorry, Folfirinox

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