Not eligible for Immunotherapy. Now what?

Posted by detroitmom23 @detroitmom23, Nov 14, 2023

I have stage 3/4 adenocarcinoma non small cell . I have tumors in upper and lower right lobes as well as several affected lymph nodes is the neck area. Diagnosed about a year ago. Went through 5 rounds of chemo and 30 radiation treatments. I was told early on that I’m not eligible for immunotherapy due to not having the markers (?) and a past history of Colitis. I just got my first 3 month post treatment scan. Not good news. One tumor in upper lobe shrank but tumor in lower lobe increased. All of the lymph nodes in neck area increased in size with notes in my portal saying probable metastasis. Obviously very discouraged at this point. Just numb. I don’t see oncologist until Friday so don’t know what will happen next. Knowing that I’m not eligible for immunotherapy my guess is more chemo. Has anyone else gone through “round two” of chemo because you couldn’t get immunotherapy? We’re other treatments offered to you?

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@dougmck

I'm experiencing this situation now. I also have multiple lung nodules in both lungs after being in remission from Stage 3-B treatment in 2008 for ten years, beginning in 2018 when they begun becoming malignant. Besides the radiation I experienced for the primary cancer in 2008, I've had four different nodules radiated since 2018 and my radiologist and oncologist are telling me we're running out of treatments. The radiologists who read my CT's continue to report that I have multiple other nodules in both lungs that appear to be growing in size. I also don't have biomarkers, but my oncologist at UCSF is considering Keytruda, based on a current trial (IMPRINT) at M.D. Anderson. He has warned me, however, that his patients who have undergone lung radiation are at a higher risk for pneumonitis when on the immunotherapy drug. I'm curious if anyone who has had radiation for slow-growing lung nodules have had experience with Keytruda.

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I had SBRT (3 sessions) last August for lung nodules and two months later had an episode of pneumonitis. They put me on Prednisone for 59 days which took care of it. I was told also that because of the episode I could no longer have immunotherapy because of risk. I have multifocal lung cancer (independent primary slow growing cancerous nodules in the lung).
I also have pre-existing pulmonary fibrosis which was stable. My pulmonary function tests dropped considerably recently so I will start an anti-fibrotic drug which hopefully will slow down the progression of the fibrosis. I found a research article that antifibrotic drug may help reduce side effects of cancer treatment as well (attached) ...ask your Oncologist

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Lung cancer in patients with fibrosis 2022 (Lung-cancer-in-patients-with-fibrosis-2022.pdf)

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@dougmck

I'm experiencing this situation now. I also have multiple lung nodules in both lungs after being in remission from Stage 3-B treatment in 2008 for ten years, beginning in 2018 when they begun becoming malignant. Besides the radiation I experienced for the primary cancer in 2008, I've had four different nodules radiated since 2018 and my radiologist and oncologist are telling me we're running out of treatments. The radiologists who read my CT's continue to report that I have multiple other nodules in both lungs that appear to be growing in size. I also don't have biomarkers, but my oncologist at UCSF is considering Keytruda, based on a current trial (IMPRINT) at M.D. Anderson. He has warned me, however, that his patients who have undergone lung radiation are at a higher risk for pneumonitis when on the immunotherapy drug. I'm curious if anyone who has had radiation for slow-growing lung nodules have had experience with Keytruda.

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@dougmck, I think @abingham84's mom may have had radiation and Keytruda. You might also be interested in this related discussion:

- Keytruda for NSCLC: What's your experience?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/keytruda-2/

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@ladylennie

I had multiple small nodules in both lungs discovered by accident in late 2019. They were followed and stable for almost 4 years. In November 2023 they showed growth. I had a pet-ct that showed 2 nodules in my left upper lobe were suspicious. Then biopsy (bronchoscopy) of one showed adenocarcinoma. Pulmonologist did not recommend surgery because of lung function. I had 2nd opinion and we decided on surgery. Lul lobectomy and lll wedge. Both in lul adenocarcinoma, p 2. Left lower was atypical cells, aah. I still have 2 hopefully staple nodules in right lung.

Started pemetrexed carboplatin chemo and just had 2nd cycle. No side effects so far except fatigue. Will have 2 more cycles and then one year of Keytruda. First scans after surgery will be when chemo is complete in mid June. Obviously hoping for no change in right lung nodules.

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I'm experiencing this situation now. I also have multiple lung nodules in both lungs after being in remission from Stage 3-B treatment in 2008 for ten years, beginning in 2018 when they begun becoming malignant. Besides the radiation I experienced for the primary cancer in 2008, I've had four different nodules radiated since 2018 and my radiologist and oncologist are telling me we're running out of treatments. The radiologists who read my CT's continue to report that I have multiple other nodules in both lungs that appear to be growing in size. I also don't have biomarkers, but my oncologist at UCSF is considering Keytruda, based on a current trial (IMPRINT) at M.D. Anderson. He has warned me, however, that his patients who have undergone lung radiation are at a higher risk for pneumonitis when on the immunotherapy drug. I'm curious if anyone who has had radiation for slow-growing lung nodules have had experience with Keytruda.

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I had multiple small nodules in both lungs discovered by accident in late 2019. They were followed and stable for almost 4 years. In November 2023 they showed growth. I had a pet-ct that showed 2 nodules in my left upper lobe were suspicious. Then biopsy (bronchoscopy) of one showed adenocarcinoma. Pulmonologist did not recommend surgery because of lung function. I had 2nd opinion and we decided on surgery. Lul lobectomy and lll wedge. Both in lul adenocarcinoma, p 2. Left lower was atypical cells, aah. I still have 2 hopefully staple nodules in right lung.

Started pemetrexed carboplatin chemo and just had 2nd cycle. No side effects so far except fatigue. Will have 2 more cycles and then one year of Keytruda. First scans after surgery will be when chemo is complete in mid June. Obviously hoping for no change in right lung nodules.

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@ladylennie

It's my understanding that Keytruda has been approved for all levels of pd 1 or pdl 1 including negative. Please check with your oncologist.

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Welcome, @ladylennie. Do you also have a lung cancer story to tell? I look forward to getting to know more about you and what brought you to Mayo Clinic Connect.

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I have been on keytruda for 4 years no side effects thus far thankfully. I hope it is working for u and continues for many years

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@sjohnson60

Ask about target therapy they have it for ur type, sorry ur unable to do the other therapy.

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@sjohnson60 , you're probably referring to Osimertinib, more commonly known as Tagrisso. I've been on it for 3 1/2 years. Targeted therapy has fewer side effects than immunotherapy, which has fewer side effects than chemo.

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@detroitmom23

Thank you to all who replied to my post. It’s kind of weird how little I really know about my cancer compared to others who are highly aware of mutations, subtypes etc. I believe it’s my own fault that I don’t know. Most of it was discussed early in my diagnosis and my husband remembers things that I don’t. For example, he recalls the dr telling me that immunotherapy would only be less than 5% effective for me and that the side effects may not be worth the benefits. I also had one bout of ulcerative colitis about 8-10 years ago and apparently that can be a risk with immunotherapy.
What I do know is that I have adenocarcinoma non small cell and up until now it’s been regional with metatasis to clavicle lymph nodes. One thing that still makes me wonder is when my records were sent through Grand Rounds (an insurance benefit where I can have a team of doctors give a second opinion) one of the drs felt I had two types of cancer - adenocarcinoma as well as squamous cell. My own dr didn’t seem to agree with that at least not to the point where he would change treatment plans. I do believe it’s time to get yet another opinion and learn more about my cancer and potential options. I appreciate the input as well as referrals.

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@detroitmom23, it's completely understandable that you missed a detail or two in your doctor's description. In my public presentations, I refer to the time following the diagnosis or recurrence as "the whirlwind". You get a lot of information and are being asked to make decisions you don't feel comfortable making. We've all been through it.

I've asked my doctor to write it down. For example, when they first told me I had nonsmall cell adenocarcinoma with strong PD-11 expression and the EGFR Exon 19 deletion mutation, I asked if she would write it down. She replied, "Of course." She wrote it and handed me the piece of paper that's still lying at the base of this computer monitor six years and a cross-country move later! What can I say? I'm a geek. 🙂

My spouse always comes with me to any meeting we think might be important. If she can't be there, I'll ask, and my Oncologist will let me call her and put us on speakerphone. In short, I'm a strong supporter of having someone else there who is charged with remembering the details. I did the same thing when my parents got older, and dad "thought" mom had some type of dementia. They never went to another appointment alone.

It's not unusual for doctors to have different opinions. I'm a civilian or patient reviewer for two different organizations, and there is so much progress in lung cancer research being made so fast that it's hard for anyone to keep up. That's the main reason I encourage a second opinion, especially if your Oncologist is a general Oncologist and not a lung cancer specialist.

Until then, relax and focus on the things you can do now, like a daily walk outside in the fresh Spring air. I've found that one of the advantages of a lung cancer diagnosis is that I now pay more attention to the beautiful and wonderful things in my life. I wish you all the best.

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@flusshund

The presence or absence of PD-L1 tells whether or not immunotherapy will work. I have PD-L1 with strong expression, but I'm still not a candidate for immunotherapy because I have the EGFR Exon 19 mutation. If an Oncologist tells someone they are not a candidate for immunotherapy, it means it won't work. 85% of lung cancer cases are non-small cell, so that's no help. She needs to ask her doctor what else he knows besides non-small cell adenocarcinoma. Nowadays, they're able to identify a lot of different subtypes, each with their own treatment recommendations.

We still have an awful lot to learn about lung cancer and cancer in general, but we are past the point of "try it and see if it works." At least for the most part. There are always exceptions.

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Ask about target therapy they have it for ur type, sorry ur unable to do the other therapy.

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@denzie

He gives does talks on an array of cancers. Lots of different adenocarcinoma mutations in addition to small cell. He's an advisor at CancerGRACE.org and regularly presents at ASCO.

He is my second opinion doctor and if need be I'll try back. I see Dr Winegarden at StJoes Trinity in Ann Arbor. If someone in my region can't get to Mayo, I recommend him next.

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Thank you to all who replied to my post. It’s kind of weird how little I really know about my cancer compared to others who are highly aware of mutations, subtypes etc. I believe it’s my own fault that I don’t know. Most of it was discussed early in my diagnosis and my husband remembers things that I don’t. For example, he recalls the dr telling me that immunotherapy would only be less than 5% effective for me and that the side effects may not be worth the benefits. I also had one bout of ulcerative colitis about 8-10 years ago and apparently that can be a risk with immunotherapy.
What I do know is that I have adenocarcinoma non small cell and up until now it’s been regional with metatasis to clavicle lymph nodes. One thing that still makes me wonder is when my records were sent through Grand Rounds (an insurance benefit where I can have a team of doctors give a second opinion) one of the drs felt I had two types of cancer - adenocarcinoma as well as squamous cell. My own dr didn’t seem to agree with that at least not to the point where he would change treatment plans. I do believe it’s time to get yet another opinion and learn more about my cancer and potential options. I appreciate the input as well as referrals.

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