New MAC treatment options??
Hi there. I am new to this support group from UK. Do not know anyone else with these pulmonary conditions apart from you guys!! Recently diagnosed for second time with mycobacterium infection - MAC this time. Had Mycobacterium abscessus first time but same horrible 3 med regime plus others for nearly 3 years first time. Not sure I can do treatment again as side effects and loss of ‘life’ for so long seriously impacted my mental health. I also have ulcerative colitis and worsening bronchiectasis- another story. Any comments and thoughts on treatment options gratefully received
Susie
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Welcome. I’m sorry you need us, but it’s a helpful and supportive group. There are many here with experience in dealing with the antibiotics.
@susiespencer When you ask about treatment for your infection, have you had a recent CT scan of your lungs? Some people are are to "push back" the infection, for lack of a better term using rigorous, twice a day airway clearance with 7% saline solution, and avoid antibiotics.
When I was treated for MAC, after over 18 months, including six months of daily meds, I like you was very sick and quite depressed from the regimen. But, I still had the infection. At that point, 7% saline was becoming more commonly used, so I stopped antibiotics and increased my airway clearance routine with 7% saline to 3X/day - that was still too much, so backed off to twice a day and I gradually got better - regained energy, cough improved and I gained back some lost weight. My lungs had improved even without antibiotics - shrunken nodules and less cough, no MAC growing in the AFB test. After a year and a half, I felt quite well, but still short of breath, so with my pulmonologist began strategies to improve my asthma.
Now 5 years and 4 months later, my bronchiectasis and asthma are stable, I have no new nodules, just scars from a long bout, and I have been "living dangerously" for 4 months, with the doctor's approval - asthma meds, exercise, daily airway clearance and no nebs unless I get a respiratory bug.
Have you been taught airway clearance techniques, and do you use saline to help control the infection?
Hi Sue- Read that yesterday and again just now glanced at it in reviewing to see if there is anything new on the thread(s). I can't help but zero in on the "living dangerously". Are you referring to no nebulizing or other precautions also. That statement has me curious since reading your much earlier posts in the last year and a half.
Hoping my CScan and sputum test shows improvement this month during my search for a new pulmonologist.
Airway clearance methods are so important for us as is all we can do to help clear the mucus up and out....which also helps with sleeping better at night also for me.
You must be so looking forward to your up coming trip.
Barbara
Hi Sue,
I have a question regarding, "no nebs." Do you mean no albuterol or levalbuterol? Do you use only 7% saline
for daily airway clearance?
Thank you!
I mean, literally, NO nebs including saline at this point unless I sense an impending problem. I have no problem doing airway clearance after my daily (generic) Symbicort inhaler plus a quick walk or other exercise. I also use 600 mg Mucinex twice a day to keep my mucus thin.
Recently, we had very high humidity & some grass fires so I nebbed saline for a couple days as a precaution. I will also be nebbing 2-3 times a week for the next couple weeks because the mesquite and pine pollen are causing me to produce more mucus. When I return to MN in May, I will also neb because of pine pollen there.
@blm1007blm1007 Barbara - the above is what I mean by "living dangerously" - I am trying out the no neb/limited neb protocol. So far, so good - I have stayed healthy, but will shift back to nebs during these allergy times as a precaution.
Yes, I think with getting to a point where we did the nebulizing to get the built up mucus out, that originally sent us looking for answers from the medical professionals with what we were experiencing, of our lungs.... and keeping ourselves hydrated.... helps a great deal as long as we do air way clearance techniques and good movement/exercise. As we have been told hydration is so important for all the bodies systems and especially now for helping get the mucus out etc.
Sue, you are an inspiration. Hope the fires and pollen subside and calm down so you can limit the nebulizing routine.
Thanks for the explanation.
Barbara
Just curious Sue. Did you mean you were only on the BIG 3 antibiotics for 6 months after MAC was cleared? I have been on the treatment for 3 months now, plus Arikayce. I started out with no side effects but in the last 4 weeks have been having almost daily , terrible headaches, some migraines which are debilitating to me. While I have had a history of occasional migraines, nothing like this. Has anyone had chronic bad headaches while on the antibiotics?
I was on antibiotics for over 18 months, switching from 3x week to daily at 1 year to daily. Arikayce was not an option back then. At 18 months my CT was better but I was sick, depressed and still losing weight- underrated 100 lbs - but still MAC positive. With my 3 docs I decided to stop antibiotics and rely on 7% saline and airway clearance to try to heal.
A year later my CT scan had improved a little and 2 of 3 cultures were negative for MAC. I was regaining energy and weight and felt like I was getting my life back.
In the 4 years since then I have gotten my asthma under control, had minimal exacerbation, and my BE is stable.
Now, since December, we are trialing no nebs, just airway clearance except if I feel I need extra help. Today I did a half vial of saline and managed to cough up extra mucus. I will continue this until tree pollen season is over.
Every one is different, and I have made these adjustments with the help of my pulmonologist.
I’m thinking about starting this treatment, but I’m not sure. Can you tell me how hard it is and what it does to you those are the things people don’t talk about and I went through liver treatment a long time ago and it was hard and almost killed me, I swear.