My body's immune system after cancer

Posted by rhongirl @rhongirl, Mar 12, 2022

As I sit here with yet another cold, I'm wondering if others have had this experience after chemo. I was diagnosed Dec. 2019, with chemo in 2020, and multiple surgeries (4 to date) over the next two years. My oncologist told me they gave me the highest dose of chemo they safely could, as the type of cancer I had was not very nice. During the almost six months of chemo, my body did not experience valleys in its counts, and chemo was as scheduled throughout. I counted myself so very fortunate.

But now, a little over two years since this all began, I find myself struggling to get through a simple cold. Since Christmas, I had a cold (sinus infection), the stomach flu, another cold that turned into pneumonia, and only to recover and pick up another cold. I am now on antibiotics again. Everyone else in the family took days to recover from their colds, but unfortunately, not me. We have 13 grandchildren who live within a 1/2 mile of us (wonderful!), but the dr. called them "little petri dishes" yesterday. One sniffle from a child, and I catch their bug and go down. Has anyone else experienced this? I've talked to another breast cancer survivor, and she told me it took her a long time (years). While I do not post to complain, it is rather to understand what others' experiences have been. Does your body ever strengthen to the level as it was before cancer treatment?

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I know this post is older (started in 2022 but it does ring true. Had chemo in fall 2023. Counts were fine during the infusions to the point where he finally stopped doing bloodwork in between, just day of. Radiation afterwards and then saw him again 3 months later to start ai. He commented “everything looks good” even though counts were off - low white count and very low lymph’s. Next visit same so I asked him and he commented it was fine for where I was in treatment and we would watch it, he would be more concerned about anemia. Finally about 5 months later asked again and he commented that the white count was recovering, almost normal and that lymph count could take 2-3 years to recover or even be permanent. It just meant I was immunocompromised. I knew this but feel for those who don’t, something should have been said early on like it may take a while for your body to recover and you are immunocompromised so be a little more careful. Anyway, here we are in July 2026 and white count goes up and down but does go normal, lymph’s still low. I do all of what maymore suggested except the sleep which for me is impossible on these ai meds. I don’t heal as well if I get injured - small cuts etc, even insect bites but I have managed to avoid anything serious. And I have gone to meetings, group get togethers etc without masking. Same with supplements - probably more than I need but I am careful and research what I take.

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I know it seems like a lot but
here’s what I did to boost and build my immune system after cancer. I did refuse any chemo so maybe that helped my situation and now I am four years out.
1. Get plenty of sleep (I try for eight but I usually get 6 to 7) I’m not a good sleeper.
2. Move your body everday, rain or shine. In the beginning I walked sometimes just to the mailbox now I jog 5 miles every day. I do this even when I’m exhausted.
3. Eat all “organic” foods, including plenty of vegetables and fruit!! Throw out all the bad stuff like refined sugar, your condiments, and go totally organic. The only time I splurge is if I go out because obviously most restaurants don’t serve organic food. But I do look for them.
4. Eliminate alcohol if you imbibe. Maybe once or twice a year I’ll have a celebratory glass of wine.
5. Wash your hands frequently
6. Take vitamin D with k. I actually take many more supplements, but I think those are the crucial ones.
7. Throw out all your skin and makeup products and buy all organic.
8. Meditate and listen to music to relax

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My immune system has always been a struggle but definitely worse post chemo and radiation… one nurse told me that the the treatment what’s all that you were vaccinated with as a child. I’m just looking into what I can and need to have again to build up my resistance…

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Thank you for your inquiry @lifetraveler . I had over 2 years on Libtayo infusions with decreasing frequency after my metastasis on the kidney disappeared on this drug. My oncologist suggested stopping it last April due to the poor appetite and tiredness side effects. Scans were still clear last July and I am returning to Mayo next week for 6 month scans and recheck. I feel pretty good in this new normal.

I believe cancer patients have both genetic and environmental factors in this disease process. There are many lifestyle changes that my cancer brought about. Diet is certainly the biggest one. There is a book that I loved so much that I bought it for every family member. Written by Dr. Ed Creagan, a Mayo palliative care doctor, the title is How Not to be My Patient. I reread this book frequently to keep all of his suggestions fresh in my mind. I recommend it to anyone who wants to do what they can to live a healthier life, but most especially cancer patients.
Good luck with this new cancer battle. I think you would enjoy this book to help you feel you are doing everything possible to improve your health.

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Thank you so much for sharing your valuable insights to guide us through this journey, Sue! I am so glad that your last scans showed no signs of cancerous cells. Your positive attitude inspires us and your experience sheds light on our battles ahead! I'll ckeck on this book by Dr. Creagan. Thank you!
Wishing you the best on your 6 month scans and recheck next week!

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Thank you so much for sharing your valuable experience, Sue!

I just saw this post right now, and realized that it had been posted almost 2 years ago... How have you been, Sue? Could you please let us know more about your situation of squamous cell carcinoma, please? I had SCC on my chest that was identified by my PCP back in December, 2016, during my annual physical exam. Had a surgery done in February of 2017 to remove the cancerous cells by an oncological surgeon, and never had any thoughts about it until my PCP found out I had a lump of tumor in my breast during my last year's physical exam in early November. Even though I was told that my SCC and current Breast cancer are different cancers, but I can't help wondering what have I done to myself to incur these diseases of various cancers at different time in life? How do we do to prevent it from happening again?

Hope your health has been improving greatly and you're proceeding happily, my comrades in fighting this disease!

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Thank you for your inquiry @lifetraveler . I had over 2 years on Libtayo infusions with decreasing frequency after my metastasis on the kidney disappeared on this drug. My oncologist suggested stopping it last April due to the poor appetite and tiredness side effects. Scans were still clear last July and I am returning to Mayo next week for 6 month scans and recheck. I feel pretty good in this new normal.

I believe cancer patients have both genetic and environmental factors in this disease process. There are many lifestyle changes that my cancer brought about. Diet is certainly the biggest one. There is a book that I loved so much that I bought it for every family member. Written by Dr. Ed Creagan, a Mayo palliative care doctor, the title is How Not to be My Patient. I reread this book frequently to keep all of his suggestions fresh in my mind. I recommend it to anyone who wants to do what they can to live a healthier life, but most especially cancer patients.
Good luck with this new cancer battle. I think you would enjoy this book to help you feel you are doing everything possible to improve your health.

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I have had radiation with a targeted therapy for head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, after my initial surgery, but no immunosuppressive chemo. I have had 3 surgeries plus a kidney biopsy over 10 years for metastases. I am currently on a checkpoint inhibitor immunotherapy. After each surgery, it was months before I started to feel human again, and you have had many surgeries over a very short period of time. Your full recovery will most likely be quite prolonged. As soon as I finished radiation, I began an Immune Augmentation Therapy for cancer at a clinic which is located in the Bahamas, and has a track record for prolonging the lives of cancer patients. I have been on the therapy for over 9 years now. While it entails self administered injections of human serum factors and cytokines, I also received information on boosting your immune system naturally. Since I started on this treatment plus supplements, I rarely get a cold or viral infection. I may have incurable stage 4 metastatic SCC, but I am living well with it and not getting sick. I can visit with grandkids and not come away with a cold. Even my Mayo doctors believe that what I am doing has prolonged my life. One supplement I have taken since I began the immune augmentation is some form of 1,3 D beta glucan. This is derived from mushrooms or yeast and also has substantial research evidence in improving immune function. There are many brands available online and in health food stores, but doing your own research shows that Glucan Elite and the Transfer Point product may have the most effective production methods. I am also recommending the book The Rebel's Apothecary by Jenny Sansouci. It is a veritable bible of information on medicinal mushrooms as well as cannabis (which I have not tried). Since reading this book I think I understand more about the supplements I have been on and why they work, and have added a mushroom blend to my daily routine in coffee. These are NOT the hallucinogenic mushrooms, but the safe and edible ones that have been used for hundreds of years in Eastern medicine. She has the education and has done the research into the use of these supplements. So I encourage you to do your own research on improving immune function, because in addition to the suggestions above, which are very important, there is more that you can do. Our oncologists are our primary source of guidance in the medical/surgical pathway, but there is more out there to look into to help yourself. Be careful what you read and try to stick with articles from medical professionals and National Institute of Health where you can find actual research. As for masks, I may never stop wearing one. The past two years have shown us all that proper mask wearing and handling and hand washing will cut your viral exposure way down. It is tough to do at home, but if you are getting so much exposure with the little germ factories, it may be worthwhile. Good luck with boosting your immune system.

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Thank you so much for sharing your valuable experience, Sue!

I just saw this post right now, and realized that it had been posted almost 2 years ago... How have you been, Sue? Could you please let us know more about your situation of squamous cell carcinoma, please? I had SCC on my chest that was identified by my PCP back in December, 2016, during my annual physical exam. Had a surgery done in February of 2017 to remove the cancerous cells by an oncological surgeon, and never had any thoughts about it until my PCP found out I had a lump of tumor in my breast during my last year's physical exam in early November. Even though I was told that my SCC and current Breast cancer are different cancers, but I can't help wondering what have I done to myself to incur these diseases of various cancers at different time in life? How do we do to prevent it from happening again?

Hope your health has been improving greatly and you're proceeding happily, my comrades in fighting this disease!

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Gosh good question, I have been wondering the same. While I only had xrt for DCIS I
I too have experienced many URIs since last fall and late summer. All my counts are stable as well.
I go back and forth in my mind is it my age(74), exposure to grandchildren and others or is it just that it seems that every one has had a long cold and flu this season. I feel run down and vulnerable. Wish I could be more help but just want you to know there are others out here with same issues and questions.

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Profile picture for Sue, Volunteer Mentor @sepdvm

I have had radiation with a targeted therapy for head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, after my initial surgery, but no immunosuppressive chemo. I have had 3 surgeries plus a kidney biopsy over 10 years for metastases. I am currently on a checkpoint inhibitor immunotherapy. After each surgery, it was months before I started to feel human again, and you have had many surgeries over a very short period of time. Your full recovery will most likely be quite prolonged. As soon as I finished radiation, I began an Immune Augmentation Therapy for cancer at a clinic which is located in the Bahamas, and has a track record for prolonging the lives of cancer patients. I have been on the therapy for over 9 years now. While it entails self administered injections of human serum factors and cytokines, I also received information on boosting your immune system naturally. Since I started on this treatment plus supplements, I rarely get a cold or viral infection. I may have incurable stage 4 metastatic SCC, but I am living well with it and not getting sick. I can visit with grandkids and not come away with a cold. Even my Mayo doctors believe that what I am doing has prolonged my life. One supplement I have taken since I began the immune augmentation is some form of 1,3 D beta glucan. This is derived from mushrooms or yeast and also has substantial research evidence in improving immune function. There are many brands available online and in health food stores, but doing your own research shows that Glucan Elite and the Transfer Point product may have the most effective production methods. I am also recommending the book The Rebel's Apothecary by Jenny Sansouci. It is a veritable bible of information on medicinal mushrooms as well as cannabis (which I have not tried). Since reading this book I think I understand more about the supplements I have been on and why they work, and have added a mushroom blend to my daily routine in coffee. These are NOT the hallucinogenic mushrooms, but the safe and edible ones that have been used for hundreds of years in Eastern medicine. She has the education and has done the research into the use of these supplements. So I encourage you to do your own research on improving immune function, because in addition to the suggestions above, which are very important, there is more that you can do. Our oncologists are our primary source of guidance in the medical/surgical pathway, but there is more out there to look into to help yourself. Be careful what you read and try to stick with articles from medical professionals and National Institute of Health where you can find actual research. As for masks, I may never stop wearing one. The past two years have shown us all that proper mask wearing and handling and hand washing will cut your viral exposure way down. It is tough to do at home, but if you are getting so much exposure with the little germ factories, it may be worthwhile. Good luck with boosting your immune system.

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Great info thank you

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Thank you so much for your prompt reply that means a lot to me. I am scared I start my round two of chemo next week and also another CAT scan to see if round one chemo has reduced my tumors at all. I am scared I’m in denial and I am alone. At 63 I never thought I would be dealing with this. I am trying to stay positive but I do need to find a mentor and a volunteer that I can talk to you who understands. Thank you again and have a good night.

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How are you doing, Jo?

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Thank you so much for your prompt reply that means a lot to me. I am scared I start my round two of chemo next week and also another CAT scan to see if round one chemo has reduced my tumors at all. I am scared I’m in denial and I am alone. At 63 I never thought I would be dealing with this. I am trying to stay positive but I do need to find a mentor and a volunteer that I can talk to you who understands. Thank you again and have a good night.

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You are definitely not alone. You found all of us. Inflammatory breast cancer is a bad dog, but I have seen a few bad dogs become quite tame in the last few years. With the new drugs and combinations of drugs there is always hope.
The immune system always takes a hit from chemo, be sure and keep yourself safe.
Have you visited
https://www.breastcancer.org/.
There is quite a bit of information there.
You said you have taken one cycle, how did you tolerate the treatment?

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