Mk4 vs Mk7 for osteoporosis

Posted by crbarefoot @crbarefoot, Mar 15 12:32pm

I have osteoporosis and a condition where I cannot exercise. I also have elevated lp(a) which increases cardiac risk. I have read studies that show mk4 in a daily dose of 45 mg is used to treat osteoporosis in Japan. Either in one 45 mg dose or divided 3 doses daily. It may also be combined with mk7 once daily. Mk7 has a much longer half life and stays in the body longer. Does anyone have any experience with this and any specific brands they might recommend for mk4? I just want to direct all my calcium to my bones and not my arteries, as much as possible. Thanks !

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@kathleen1314 I am 75 with osteoporosis, severe in my spine (-4.1) with no fractures and have refused any bone drugs (Tymlos and Forteo are not an option for me due to parathyroid issues).

What are your DEXA scores and have you had anything fractures? If I were considering a bisphosphonate, I would start with Fosamax over Reclast due to the serious long-term side effects I've heard about Reclast. At least with Fosamax, you can stop taking it if you have side effects. My Dr said he'd prescribe Fosamax at 1/2 strength to ease my fears, and said studies have shown it's effective at that dose. However, I still refused because I've read studies that show bisphosphonates offer minimal benefits at fracture prevention, and isn't that the point of taking any bone drugs?

Here are a couple studies on the "absolute risk" vs benefit of bisphosphonates: https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(24)00101-3/fulltext
From that study: "When the baseline risk is low, use of relative risk alone is likely misleading. According to the review conducted by the ACP, the relative risk reduction of hip fractures with bisphosphonate treatment for at least 3 years is 36%; however, the absolute risk reduction is only 0.6%. Framed as number needed to treat, 167 patients need to be treated for 3 years to prevent one hip fracture."
"The benefits of treatment in older or less functional adults are less certain, as clinical trials mostly excluded adults over age 80 and residents of long-term care facilities; limited data in both subgroups does not support a fracture risk reduction. In addition, the long-term benefits of fracture risk reduction must be considered in the context of functionality and life expectancy. The time to benefit for bisphosphonates is estimated to be 1-2 years for important clinical outcomes like hip fracture and vertebral fractures."

Another study:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/04/popular-osteoporosis-drugs-come-with-mounting-concerns/index.htm
"Bottom line. Bisphosphonates offer only modest benefits in building bone and preventing fractures, and that should be considered along with the risks."

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@daisy17
I do not take bisphosphonates; I am a strontium citrate user and I use BHRT also.

To answer your questions:
Dexa:
My dexa was in normal range for bone density and normal range for bone quality as per TBS.

Dexa lowest was Femoral neck at -0.7, Spine was 3.1 and Total hip was 1.1
The femoral neck is where my osteoporosis was years ago when I began strontium citrate; my lowest reading when I began strontium citrate was -2.8 in my left femoral bone.

TBS was as:
It says on the number 6 conclusion section that....
The lumbar spine TBS is 1.522 which suggests a normal microarchitecture compared to reference population.
The patient's associated BMD and TBS values suggest a Normal resilience to fracture.
Furthermore, the minimum BMD Tschore (either adjusted or not for TBS), positions the patient in the normal category equivalent."

Fractures: no fractures, no side effects

I am a strontium citrate and BHRT user; I used Boniva years ago but stopped because of the side effects and a lack of positive gain. That all changed when I began strontium citrate. My endocrinologist told me to change nothing.

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@shmbrd
I can't say that I "refused" medications; I think that they refused me. ha

I tried Boniva years ago, and was not able to live with the side effects. My endo had talked about a new drug in Europe that contained strontium, so I began to research the mineral strontium.

I stopped the Boniva, which had never helped my dexa but was free with its side effects.

I started strontium citrate, plus I was already taking BHRT.
At my next appointment with the endocrinologist, he almost skipped into the room. Large gain in my dexa. I confessed that I was not taking the Boniva but had begun strontium citrate. He spent some time looking up information and called another expert. He told me to change nothing.

Time passed my dexa continued to increase, no side effects, no fractures. The endocrinologist told me that I did not need him any more and released me. He told me to change nothing.

Years passed still no fractures, no side effects, but steady dexa gains until I was in normal bone territory and as of 2025 a TBS report of normal bone quality.

I do not know what your medical history is or what your doctor is seeing in your history. I do know that it never hurts to consider and research and decide what is best for yourself.

Here are some strontium citrate stories from strontium users:
https://www.inspire.com/m/Kathleen1314/journal/d69831-strontium-users-stories-3-alternative-to-pharma-meds/
And
A compilation of strontium research and posts:
https://www.inspire.com/groups/bone-health-and-osteoporosis/discussion/dd823b-strontium-a-compilation-of-research-and-information/

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@kathleen1314
thank you for sharing your journey. I've had diagnosis of osteoporosis since I guess about the first DEXA scan, around 15 yrs. ago. I didn't believe it. My pc nurse practitioner (One Medical) didn't. make an issue of it, but I started seeing a regular geriatric MD last summer & she sent me to an endocrinologist, Who prescribed Reclast since my insurance co. doesn't cover the other options she considered. I somehow wandered into the Mayo Clinic bulletin board, I don't want to take the Reclast. I've fallen 3 times in the past 3 years but no bones broke. I'm trying to work out more consistently. It looks like I'll add Strontium Citrate to my supplement regimen. Is there a preferred brand? thank you, & I will follow the links you provided.

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@kathleen1314
thank you for sharing your journey. I've had diagnosis of osteoporosis since I guess about the first DEXA scan, around 15 yrs. ago. I didn't believe it. My pc nurse practitioner (One Medical) didn't. make an issue of it, but I started seeing a regular geriatric MD last summer & she sent me to an endocrinologist, Who prescribed Reclast since my insurance co. doesn't cover the other options she considered. I somehow wandered into the Mayo Clinic bulletin board, I don't want to take the Reclast. I've fallen 3 times in the past 3 years but no bones broke. I'm trying to work out more consistently. It looks like I'll add Strontium Citrate to my supplement regimen. Is there a preferred brand? thank you, & I will follow the links you provided.

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@shmbrd
Strontium citrate is more of a treatment, supplement style.
You take strontium at medical levels, 680 mg daily, so be very sure that you do your research and are knowledgeable before you begin it.
Strontium will elevate your dexa falsely because the strontium is denser than calcium and the dexa is set to read calcium. TBS and REMS are not affected in the same way.

Here are some links about strontium and some strontium stories from users:
Compilation of strontium posts and research:
https://www.inspire.com/groups/bone-health-and-osteoporosis/discussion/dd823b-strontium-a-compilation-of-research-and-information/
Strontium user stories:
https://www.inspire.com/m/Kathleen1314/journal/d69831-strontium-users-stories-3-alternative-to-pharma-meds/
All strontium is the same strontium; the difference lies in the additives and the carrier and in the oversight.
AOR is overseen by Canada's regulatory body and has few additives.
Vitacost has a good price point.
Terry's is one that at least one person on Inspire likes to take.

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