Magnesium and heart rhythm problems

Posted by EllAmster @ellamster, Apr 17, 2019

Dear all.
I already posted something on magnesium in another group, asking if the tablets i was advised to take could have to do with some problems I am experiencing. But I thought I would post it here too.
I have a heart rhythm condition that sometimes really acts up. I had a TIA years ago, followed by my heart stopping less than a year later. So I am under supervision of a cardiologist.
But since I also have a bowel condition (sigh) my doctor told me to take 2 magnesium tablets a day, making a total of 1500 mg. per day. She said I could take even 6 tablets if I wanted to, because there are no side effects. I just heard that there can be, and I wonder if anyone of you has any experience with magnesium and a heart condition, and how this makes you feel.
I would love to share thoughts on the subject since I am not feeling very well ever since I started taking 1500 mg. of magnesium per day over two weeks ago. I called my doctor but they told me there are no side effects. So well, I thought I needed a few more thinking caps.

@soph

Very interesting article. I really recommend reading it. Another part of this situation is that doctors disagree now on how much calcium older people should take. They used to say we had to take half as much magnesium as calcium with supplements. (One thing which gives me trouble as an older person is that enormous pills are really hard to swallow and calcium/magnesium supplements tend to be enormous. I did find a pleasing chocolate piece that has calcium and very little magnesium.)
Those of us with afib often are given blood tests in the hospital that will give us some idea of our calcium and magnesium levels. I didn't realize that all the whole grains I eat are very helpful to have useful magnesium levels. Mine appears to be fine without supplements.

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I know that magnesium citrate can cause diarrhea at doses beyond the recommended dose. Other kinds of magnesium may be better for you. I take just 300 mg of mag citrate so it just keeps me regular. But more is too much.
I would read up on magnesium and not just rely on the word of anyone; doctor, friend, naturopath, me… I rely mostly on my pharmacist…who studied drugs and supplements for years in university. I go to a doctor of naturopathy so I value her opinion, too. (Beware of the 3 month course naturopaths.) https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/magnesium-supplement-oral-route-parenteral-route/description/drg-20070730 On the Mayo Clinic site on magnesium they even provide you with a list of drugs that you should NOT take magnesium with. Also, that is why it's a good idea to consult with your pharmacist.

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And don't forget an excellent source of NUTS. 2 tsp per day! Quote: 'Just 2 tablespoons of dried pumpkin seeds contain 96 mg of magnesium or about 25 percent of the daily recommended dietary allowance. Other foods containing magnesium include almonds, sunflower seeds, Brazil nuts, cashews, pine nuts, flaxseed, and pecans.'

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But do watch out about nuts as you get older. Now at 85, I just decided a few months ago to eat lots of nut snacks during the day, a collection which included cashews. Well, about the same time, my arms began swelling up just from a mosquito bite. Allergy? I stopped the nuts and the extreme reaction to bites stopped. I read that older people can suddenly get nut allergies. So be careful. My daughter, 46, also is eating these nut snacks with no problem at all.

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I have read that a first mosquito bite can cause a reaction and then after that the subsequent reactions diminish. Maybe the mosquito had a virus in it like West Nile. Horrible thought.
I read that one should not eat more than 2 TBSP of nuts per day. They are nutritious but can be hard to digest and very fattening.

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It depends what type of Mag it is. Mag threonate is less irritatiog. Go in increasing until you hit the effective amount.

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@soph

Very interesting article. I really recommend reading it. Another part of this situation is that doctors disagree now on how much calcium older people should take. They used to say we had to take half as much magnesium as calcium with supplements. (One thing which gives me trouble as an older person is that enormous pills are really hard to swallow and calcium/magnesium supplements tend to be enormous. I did find a pleasing chocolate piece that has calcium and very little magnesium.)
Those of us with afib often are given blood tests in the hospital that will give us some idea of our calcium and magnesium levels. I didn't realize that all the whole grains I eat are very helpful to have useful magnesium levels. Mine appears to be fine without supplements.

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@soph There are about 10 or so different magnesium for different parts of the body . Talk to your pharmacist or nutritionist to see which one she recommends. Mag. citrate is for the intestinal problems For fibromyalgia I use Mag, mallete there are others So check out to see which one you need.

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@soph

So much magnesium suddenly is what gave me almost diarrhea. I was told by a nutritionist that you always must slowly build up to a strong magnesium amount. Good luck!

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There are many types of magnesium. For heart issues you should only be taking magnesium taurate. You can find out more by watching Dr. Gupta with York cardiology on YouTube. He gives all his information for free a wonderful man. A cardiologist from UK.

I can give u info on what has helped me to be 98 percent free of palpitations and a fib.
But will need to do so later today in a rush out the door right now. 😊
Blessings, jo

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Everyone with heart palpitations… Vit D, Magnesium must be taken together.
ALSO… you must take the right magnesium.
My palpitations stopped after conferring with Dr Gupta from York Cardiology.
He suggested Magnesium TAURATE for people with heart palpitations and Afib.
Sure enough…. I got the brand he stated and I am 98% free of palpitations.
So just FYI… this is the magnesium brand he said to use:
https://amzn.to/2XWVoS8
I get it through Amazon and take daily with Vit D 5000 mg.

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@jocrane I have a two fold mag. problem . I had by pass in 1996 and fibromyalgia which mag is important so I use magnesium malete and it has 86mg other magnesium in it Yes you do need Vit D3 with it as well as calcium for your bones . I love Dr. Gupta listen to him a lot .

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@jocrane

Everyone with heart palpitations… Vit D, Magnesium must be taken together.
ALSO… you must take the right magnesium.
My palpitations stopped after conferring with Dr Gupta from York Cardiology.
He suggested Magnesium TAURATE for people with heart palpitations and Afib.
Sure enough…. I got the brand he stated and I am 98% free of palpitations.
So just FYI… this is the magnesium brand he said to use:
https://amzn.to/2XWVoS8
I get it through Amazon and take daily with Vit D 5000 mg.

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Interesting! And you take so much Vit. D. My cardiologist just said "People take too many pills, don't." Hmm, what to do…

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Your cardiologist could have rephrased his comment like this, "People take too many medications that cause so many side effects. Avoid them when possible. Instead institute LIFESTYLE CHANGES that can treat and even cure most of conditions including diabetes, joint pain, brain fuzziness, kidney dysfunction, balance issues leading to falls, schizophrenia and aFib."
He could suggest to his patients instead of 'too many pills' to do the following: Lose weight, drink less alcohol and avoid marijuana that can push some into schizophrenia, reduce salt intake, avoid stimulants such as coffee, drink more water, exercise, get a good night's sleep, eat less meat and eat 6 – 10 servings of fruits and vegetables per day.)
He may not have suggested supplements since they are 'pills' except I think all doctors do recommend vitamin D if we live in the north. Doctors' education is subsidized by Big Pharma so most push medication (pills) and having learned little to nothing about lifestyle changes, it would be better to consult with a nutritionist or naturopath about supplements, even if some Big Pharma driven doctors are against them.

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Thanks, fortunately my cardiologist also talks about lifestyle changes.

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