MA-RARP (Modified Anterior Robot-Assisted Radical Prostatectomy)

Posted by nelsjenn @nelsjenn, May 14 1:23am

Hello Everyone. I was diagnosed with prostate cancer on 3/12/2026. I have intermediate grade prostate cancer, PSA= 12.9, stage T3a, Gleason Score 3+4=7, Extracapsular Extension (3mm), PSMA PET/CT shows no signs of cancer beyond prostate. My Decipher Genetic Test scored .70.

Can anyone out there recommend a skilled surgeon that can perform an MA-RARP prostatectomy?

I am located in California and I am looking for a surgeon who is experienced at MA-RARP, Modified Anterior Robot-Assisted Radical Prostatectomy, a refined robotic surgery for localized prostate cancer that removes the prostate gland while prioritizing functional recovery. It builds on the standard anterior approach by incorporating techniques like no-clip methods and bladder neck preservation to protect key structures.

This approach preserves the Retzius space—anterior to the bladder—avoiding disruption of the prostatic plexus, intrapelvic fascia, pubic prostatic ligament, and detrusor apron. Surgeons access the prostate via a retropubic space entry using robotic systems like da Vinci, maintaining tumor control without compromising margins.

This is NOT RS-RARP, Retzius Sparing Robot-Assisted Radical Prostatectomy, where the point of entry is posterior.

Does this approach ring a bell out there? MA-RARP uses da Vinci robotic systems for precise retropubic access, avoiding full Retzius disruption unlike standard anterior RARP. Modifications include no-clip dissection, bladder neck preservation, and careful anterior exposure to protect neurovascular bundles and fascia.

I am having a challenge finding a surgeon that is skilled at MA-RARP because most urological surgeons are trained on the Standard Anterior approach (SA-RARP) and the acronym, MA-RARP, is not widely recognized.

MA-RARP is a strong "middle of the road" choice. MA-RARP strikes a good balance for my T3a prostate cancer (3 mm ECE, Gleason 3+4=7, PSA 12.9, Decipher 0.70). It gives better early urinary continence control than standard SA-RARP (48% continent day 1 vs 6%, 100% by 3 months) while keeping cancer clearance rates similar (11% PSM vs SA's 9%).

Am I in "LaLa Land" with this approach? Please enlighten me.

Thanks for everyone's support and information, Nelson Lee

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I apologize to you and everyone who reads/contributes here for my fatalistic comment, but what I have found in my own journey, and that of reading about everyone else's journey - with their unexpected detours off of what we/they thought was a straight path to recovery - is (quoting a famous movie line): "You can do what you want, but the outcome will be the same."
I have read SO MANY stories of men being surprised by their surgical pathology report that revealed so much more than their initial biopsy that was paired with a lower Gleason Score. I have read of men, who after 5 - 10 years of no sign of post-RP disease what so ever, offer that their cancer has returned, even though there was no identified Extraprostatic Extension or Surgical Margins documented in their surgical pathology report years before. I have read of men who, after RP surgery, had to go through radiation therapy, and yet five years after that, their cancer return anyway, so now they are on ADT. And so it goes.
So, my message is: to keep yourself emotionally balanced. Find a top university-based medical center where the best research and cutting-edge surgical techniques are happening, and travel there for your surgery. That is your best hope, but...that said..."stuff" can still happen years later that will leave you reeling. That is why this blog exists with all of us who read and contribute.
I have offered this many times before but: This blog is for the "unlucky ones"...the ones who had something unexpectedly "go wrong." The "lucky ones" who had clean surgeries, prostate-confined cancer, and restored ability to urinate and have sexual intercourse within a reasonable amount of time after surgery, are "not" in this blog. We are the exceptions...the outliers...the "unlucky ones," whose disease took their unexpected twists and turns, and just keeps coming back. So, my hope is that we here, will never hear from you again because everything went well for you. But should you return to us, well...we'll all be here for a while telling our unexpected and insane stories of "the latest" that has now happened in the next phase of our journey.
BTW...The movie: "A Passage to India" (1984). The quote spoken by an Indian mystic who tries to calm the extreme anxiety of a native Indian man who obligingly/submissively gave his own rear shirt collar stay to a visiting, high-level Englishman who was missing his. The panicked Indian man knows that he will be seen in public without a rear collar stay, and he will be ostracized for it in 1920's Indian society. He is in a total panic, and the Indian mystic calmly says: "You can do what you want, but the outcome will be the same." Somewhat humorous, while being true. You can drive yourself crazy with worry, but in simplest re-stated terms: "what will be, will be", and you just have to take it as it comes. Good luck.

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@rlpostrp Thanks for the response. I hear what you are saying. I am no stranger to cancer as I was diagnosed with bladder cancer a few years back. After two TURBs and several BCG infusions, I thought I was leaving the cancer thing behind me.... then this prostate cancer comes along.... (a blank, emotionless, stare into space....)

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@heavyphil Thanks for your support and feedback. My wife and I hear you. We have been weighting in the tradeoffs of each approach, but we realize the surgeon's skill, experience, and my rapport with the doctor is critical. Can you share with me your experience with finding the right doctor? We have working with hospitals and making appointments to meet with surgeons. It seems like a "hit and miss" process. And often this process feels random, time consuming, ineffective, and the collection of these "introduction" appointments are getting expensive.

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@nelsjenn
Where you live is a big factor. If you wanna know where good places to get treatment are in your area let us know where you live.

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@jeffmarc
Hi, I believe this is called a dorsal hood approach, and the doctor at UCSF we are consulting with does this. His recommendation to us is 'robot-assisted radical prostatectomy (single port daVinci robot) and he is a potential candidate for nerve sparing (dorsal hood approach)'. We are also considering EBRT, without ADT, because he is intermediate risk with a low Decipher score.

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@ekdart We have been talking with several surgeons at UCSF. Would you share the name of your doctor (surgeon) who is doing the dorsal hood approach? Thanks for the support and information.

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@nelsjenn
Where you live is a big factor. If you wanna know where good places to get treatment are in your area let us know where you live.

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@jeffmarc We are living in the Bay Area--- and we are familiar with UCSF. Regardless, feedback on good places to get treatment would be appreciated. Thanks for the support and care.

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@rlpostrp Thanks for the response. I hear what you are saying. I am no stranger to cancer as I was diagnosed with bladder cancer a few years back. After two TURBs and several BCG infusions, I thought I was leaving the cancer thing behind me.... then this prostate cancer comes along.... (a blank, emotionless, stare into space....)

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@nelsjenn My bladder cancer was actually found during my RARP…so when I woke up in recovery it was a ‘bittersweet’ event, to say the least!
As far as selecting a surgeon goes, I knew some of the bigger names in my NYC area just from hearing of their exploits in the local news, TV, word of mouth…
That last one was most important!
So I narrowed it down to two men, neck and neck, and chose the one who could see me almost immediately and not have me run a gauntlet of red tape to make his acquaintance.
Once I met the surgeon, I was even more impressed by his demeanor, friendliness and could see how he forged such a glowing reputation.
I told him plainly “You are the only thing keeping my head together at this point” and he assured me that he would take good care of me.
There are brilliant surgeons who have zero personality and are ice cold as human beings. There are other truly bad surgeons who are so warm and charming that you would let them operate right there on their desk with no anesthesia. So you have to be sure that all the reviews you read – and you do have to read some of these online, whether you like to or not – are a true representation of the person you are meeting.
I wish I could be more definitive in my answer, but when you meet the surgeon who’s right for you, you will know it instantly. Best,
Phil

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@jeffmarc We are living in the Bay Area--- and we are familiar with UCSF. Regardless, feedback on good places to get treatment would be appreciated. Thanks for the support and care.

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@nelsjenn
You can’t beat UCSF

UCSF
GU Oncologists must have metastasis to get oncologist appointment, or be referred
Eric Small not real friendly but good
Rahul Aggarwal top notch
Terry Friedlander 2nd choice

Urologist Peter R. Carroll

Dr. Mack Roach Radiology away until November
Dr. Seyedin RO really good
Dr. Hsu RO
Dr. Gottschalk RO

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@jeffmarc We are living in the Bay Area--- and we are familiar with UCSF. Regardless, feedback on good places to get treatment would be appreciated. Thanks for the support and care.

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@nelsjenn
Dr. Carissa Chu is the urologist at UCSF that gave a talk at their recent conference about surgery. She should be experienced in the new techniques.

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I would like to add (UCSF) Dr. Julian Hong (RO), friendly, compassionate, extremely high intelligence and answers all questions personally (not via nurse) and in a timely manner. Ordered for us tests that were dismissed by other physicians there. He was actually recommended to us by one of the doctors at UCSF.

He got 5 stars on multiple "review" sites by hundreds of patients (not all have that rating BTW) but is modest and keeps a low profile.

However, I am sure that all ROs at UCSF are very capable and under tutelage of Dr. Roach who is alpha and omega there (and for a reason).

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I would recommend Thomas J. Guzzo, MD, MPH Chief of the Division of Urology at the University of Pennsylvania.

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Hi,
If that is the one incision method I have heard nothing but good things about it. Wish they had this when I had my 5 incision robotic removal 11 yrs ago.

Dave 3+4

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