"Looking forward." Has PN taken that away from me, too?

Posted by Ray Kemble @ray666, Jun 11 8:58am

This morning I had to psyche myself up. At 2, I'll be meeting a friend for coffee; he and I used to meet for coffee every Wednesday at 2 –– but that was before PN. In my journal this morning I gave myself a pep talk: "Come on, Ray, don't have second thoughts about having coffee at 2. You used to love having coffee at 2. Instead of trying to get out of it, why don't you try looking forward to it?" And that's when I realized, since PN, how few things I genuinely look forward to. The realization troubled me. Pissed me off, too. For the first time it struck me how "looking forward" is something I used to do about a whole host of things. Somewhere along the way (since my PN diagnosis) I'd stopped looking forward to things. Has that happened to you? Have you lost the instinctive eagerness for social get-togethers, weekend road trips, neighborhood block parties, Saturday shopping –– coffee at 2? Have you given in to the loss of "looking forward"? Or have you tried to do something about it? What have you done? And have you been successful? I'd love to know.

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@njed

@dbeshears1 Debbie - sounds like you have a doctor who is an idiot. At this point in our life, who knows us better as to our physical abilities or lack thereof than us. It is extremely difficult when you see someone in the medical field, place your confidence in her or him and they don't listen to your concerns. It's like it goes through one ear and out the other. I had that happen last October, I told the practitioner she was wrong on her diagnosis, I got up and walked out. Went to a different doctor 8 days later and I was correct. I told him what the other doctor said, and he rolled his eyes. Obviously, I switched doctors. All practitioners are not alike and lately, I've found nurse practitioners to be more willing to listen. I believe that their training is different and at times, they can spend more time with patients.

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" … Obviously, I switched doctors."

It took me a while, Ed, before I realized I had permission to switch doctors. My German Grosmutter had set the tone for our extended family. To her, it was "Yes, Doktor," "Oh, yes, Doktor," "Whatever you say, Doktor." My grandfather, my mother, my dozen uncles. aunts, great-uncles and great-aunts: they all thought of their doctors as king and would never have switched doctors. I can't say for a fact that if they'd switched doctors they'd have lived longer, healthier lives; I do know that a discouragig number of the members of my extended family died young and in pain. I'm grateful that I relate differently to my doctors. With few exceptions, I trear my doctors with respect, but I regard our relationship as teamwork; my best doctors are like coaches: they've the smarts to call good plays but from the sideline. whereas I'm in the game, and like veteran quarterback, I'm seeing the action up close; I'd like to always have the final say, whether the next play will be a downfield toss or a hurry-up running play.

Merry Monday to everyone!
Ray (@ray666)

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@dbeshears1

Ray,
I had an incident 6 years ago when I was labeled as not eligible for a treatment because of the physical therapy involved, based on my label “uses a walker”. No test or assessment of ability, just based on seeing me with it. So for 6 years now, I keep my walker in my car when I go to appointments. I use my foldable cane in case I need help with a curb or step as many of my walks into a large complex may be long (SC has a lot of retirees, so especially at doctor appointments, finding handicapped parking is difficult). When I get to the office door, I neatly collapse my cane and put it in my bag, so while it’s not the prettiest walk while being led around the office, there’s no visible evidence of using assistance. (Fingers crossed they don’t make me climb up or down from a tall exam table! I know not to put myself in risk of injury)

I do have a problem with doctors who cut & paste from previous visits or from other doctors’ reports and I sometimes still see “uses a walker” (or cane). So now I make it a point at those visits to say “Note I’m not using a walker or cane” - and point out that I’d like the report to state that or exclude the walker/cane reference since I obviously can walk unassisted.

I am disabled, I can’t deny I am affected significantly by my PN. I know it sounds like a game, but I don’t want to automatically be denied a treatment of any kind that may improve my quality of life. I’d like to at least be able to have a discussion or reasonable assessment of ability to qualify vs a blanket rejection, especially if people are relying on outdated or unreliable notes in other doctor reports.

I find it carries over to my friends and family too. Sometimes I just don’t want to always “look” handicapped, or want to avoid the discussion of health. So I probably contribute to the appearance of being able to do a lot more than I can!

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Hi, Debbie

I'll make this short as I see you've already received some great replies. It can be a tricky business convincing people that a disability of any sort and of any severity is not an either/or proposition. I find myself all the time having to assure people, "OK, that's right, THIS is something I'm uncomfortable doing –– that's why I've brought my cane –– but once I've done THIS and done it safely, I'm still able-bodied in more ways than not. Don't let this cane fool you!"

Ah, life with PN! 🙂

Havea great day, Debbie!
Ray (@ray666)

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@bjk3

Good afternoon, @ray666, @dbeshears1, @mob55, @julbpat, @liloldlady, and all who are blessed to find kindred souls here at Connect ~
I've been pondering this business of no longer looking forward to in-person celebrations, get-togethers, and other events that are mostly out of my ability to attend, and there are many! Boy, this topic certainly resonates with me! Like so many of you, in my younger years, I enjoyed some very fulfilling careers and also some extensive travel and really still could, if it weren't for the limitations of my long time and now severe P.N. and some unpredictable digestive tract surprises. 😜 As a lot of you know, in 2022 I experienced extensive lumbar surgery and then hip replacement (this latter from a fall 10 weeks after the back surgery). I spent several weeks in a new, lovely rehab facility which for all practical purposes was more like a luxury hotel because I was a "guest" (their word), not a "patient". Terribly and consistently understaffed, the one thing I LOOKED FORWARD to was getting home!! What I saw as interminable boredom turned out to be a gift from God. Because of that experience, I know that staying independent in my own home is a joyous freedom I look forward to every day. Sure, I have the occasional "blues" from weather changes or this-or-that. But I am content to look forward to keeping up my home, doing a bit of shopping, preparing (or not!) what I want (or don't want!) to eat, getting to set my own daily routine as to when I feel most like exercising, showering, eating, and taking medication when needed, as opposed to having to take it according to a precision-followed time-chart, with no say in the matter. I look forward to being able to maintain a decent social life, -- though mostly on Zoom -- because of aforementioned complications with mobility, etc. In living out this new normal, what I miss the most is the expectation/ability to be reliable and dependable, hence the option of Zoom as opposed to in-person gatherings. I live alone with my sweet lapdog (my husband passed 12 years ago) and I really respect you, Debbie, and you, Ray, for the loving presence that you maintain for the happiness of your husband and partner. You are gifting them the joy of looking forward to giving you outings, things to do, and understanding aid where needed so that you may do these things together. That's awesome for all involved!
Ok, to avoid extensive rambling, I'll wish all of you the very best as adjustments and more adjustments present themselves. I'm with you in it, and I sure appreciate our discussions, suggestions, and topics that come to be shared! Blessings!! ~ Barb

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Good morning, Barb

You've got me thinking. When I posted my "Looking forward" topic, it was because in my morning scribblings that day I was thinking about the emotional toll that PN exacts, damage to anticipation being one. This morning, for reasons unknown, my mind was dwelling on the word "purpose." I found myself asking the question –– and it can be a killer question (it is for me) –– "What is my 'purpose'?" I was having a difficult time coming up with a good answer, an answer I'd consider spirit-satisfying. I used to be able to answer that question by saying things like, "Oh, it's to learn my lines so I can give the audience a good show" or "Reorganize your plans for next month so that my partner and I can take that long trip we've been wanting to take" or "Set aside time this afternoon to visit or phone friends so I can be the 'good friend' I want to be." But what is my purpose these days? My life-with-PN days? It's "Don't be late for your appointment with Dr. G." and "Take all of your pills, even the ones that leave a nasty aftertaste" and "When you do your at-home leg-strengthening exercises, this time give-it-your-all!" All super-important purposes, no quarrel. But is that my overarching purpose now that I have PN? To be a medical aficionado? Nothing else? I find that terribly deflating. So, in finishing up this morning's scribbling I ended saying, "There's your purpose, Ray: it's to rebuild a purpose, a greater purpose than just doctors' appointments and leg raises. I was once more than that, and –– are you listening, PN? –– I will be again.

OK, climb back down from the soapbox, Ray. 🙂

Cheers to us all!
Ray )@ray666)

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@ray666

Hi, Debbie

I'll make this short as I see you've already received some great replies. It can be a tricky business convincing people that a disability of any sort and of any severity is not an either/or proposition. I find myself all the time having to assure people, "OK, that's right, THIS is something I'm uncomfortable doing –– that's why I've brought my cane –– but once I've done THIS and done it safely, I'm still able-bodied in more ways than not. Don't let this cane fool you!"

Ah, life with PN! 🙂

Havea great day, Debbie!
Ray (@ray666)

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I only need mine along when it’s nighttime and I need to play whackamo if someone does something out of line 😁 Sort of like having a baseball bat available if you need to use one.

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@johnbishop

I only need mine along when it’s nighttime and I need to play whackamo if someone does something out of line 😁 Sort of like having a baseball bat available if you need to use one.

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Haha - it sure helped/helps with social distancing! I also feel pretty smart when I use it at a grocery store to slide something off the top shelf for me!

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@johnbishop

I only need mine along when it’s nighttime and I need to play whackamo if someone does something out of line 😁 Sort of like having a baseball bat available if you need to use one.

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My cat, too, is terrified of my cane. Fortunately, he doesn't seem to understand that it's me who is wielding the cane. He sees it as some sort of "evil stick" and the fact that it protrudes from my hand in no way means I'm responsible for the evil the stick does. 🙂

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@dbeshears1

I love my 2 nurse practitioners! I call them Dr’s because I believe they deserve titles. That Dr 6 years ago is long gone from my line-up, facilitated by my geographic moves. You’re right - we know our bodies! I’m happy to say I’ve had mostly very good doctors, GREAT PCPs! I hope you are making out ok, I think of your big obstacles often, and yes, we all have bigger mountains to climb sometimes. You’re my hero

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Deb - As it stands, my primary is a nurse practitioner and so is my dermatologist who has 20 years of experience. Much easier to talk to and I feel both are more down to earth, and I noticed their noses don't stick up in the air. Thanks for your comments and support.

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@ray666

" … Obviously, I switched doctors."

It took me a while, Ed, before I realized I had permission to switch doctors. My German Grosmutter had set the tone for our extended family. To her, it was "Yes, Doktor," "Oh, yes, Doktor," "Whatever you say, Doktor." My grandfather, my mother, my dozen uncles. aunts, great-uncles and great-aunts: they all thought of their doctors as king and would never have switched doctors. I can't say for a fact that if they'd switched doctors they'd have lived longer, healthier lives; I do know that a discouragig number of the members of my extended family died young and in pain. I'm grateful that I relate differently to my doctors. With few exceptions, I trear my doctors with respect, but I regard our relationship as teamwork; my best doctors are like coaches: they've the smarts to call good plays but from the sideline. whereas I'm in the game, and like veteran quarterback, I'm seeing the action up close; I'd like to always have the final say, whether the next play will be a downfield toss or a hurry-up running play.

Merry Monday to everyone!
Ray (@ray666)

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Ray - I feel the same way; all of the doctors and/or nurse practitioners are part of the team to keep us going and alive. I feel comfortable when a doctor explains various treatment plans available and together a decision is made on which is best. I have one doctor who likes to take the wait and see approach before doing anything major. I prefer the comeback in 3 or 4 months and let's see how this new med is working. Being part of the decision making allows the patient to be on board and in agreement to the treatment plan.

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@dbeshears1

Haha - it sure helped/helps with social distancing! I also feel pretty smart when I use it at a grocery store to slide something off the top shelf for me!

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I absolutely agree - on all counts!

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@ray666

My cat, too, is terrified of my cane. Fortunately, he doesn't seem to understand that it's me who is wielding the cane. He sees it as some sort of "evil stick" and the fact that it protrudes from my hand in no way means I'm responsible for the evil the stick does. 🙂

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I love cat logic! It's a blast watching the arched back, hair standing on end, totally bent form as it tiptoes back from a mirror. Or, when perched at a comfortable height seeing the totally mesmerized face as it pushes something in half-inch increments until said object crashes to the floor. Such feline satisfaction!
We had cats for over 40 years and now I have a dog. Different expression of logic and all great companions.
Cheers for our animals!

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