Long Term PAC and PVC Suffer. Need your support and guidance

My cardiologist recently told me that stress really isn’t related to pvc’s. Omg … who do you believe! When my stress level was high that was when they started. Now that the stress is decreased, so did the pvc’s!

Hello JC76.
I had a stress echo about 4 years ago...all was perfectly normal. I have been told many times that stress will increase PVCs and PACs. I have found that exercise does little to reduce my extra beats. I get scared when I have several in a row and it happens for an hour or so. I have been told that this is not Afib, but just a run of PACs or PVCs.
Thank you!
RR

It is a waste of money to buy Ubiquinone vs Ubiquinol. Ubiquinone is not bio available when a person is older than their 40s. Saving a few bucks on an item that is not absorbed is just a waste. I take 800 mg ubiquinol a day. Japanese researchers looked into very high doses of ubiquinol (4K mg/day) and found it useful for heart failure. I gave my 7 year old 40# dog 200 mg a day to cure her heart murmur. Look at additives in your supplements. Qunol uses an emulsifier called polysorbate 80 which is a neurotoxin. Blue bonnet uses an emulsifier called carrageen with destroys healthy naturally occurring probiotic called akkermansia muciniphila.
Magnesium citrate is used to helped the bowels. Magnesium taurate is used for heart issues. There are I think 7 or 8 different kinds of magnesium.
"Supplemental ubiquinol in patients with advanced congestive heart failure". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19096107/
Abstract

Patients with CHF, NYHA class IV, often fail to achieve adequate plasma CoQ10 levels on supplemental ubiquinone at dosages up to 900 mg/day. These patients often have plasma total CoQ10 levels of less than 2.5 microg/ml and have limited clinical improvement. It is postulated that the intestinal edema in these critically ill patients may impair CoQ10 absorption. We identified seven patients with advanced CHF (mean EF 22%) with sub-therapeutic plasma CoQ10 levels with mean level of 1.6 microg/ml on an average dose of 450 mg of ubiquinone daily (150-600 mg/day). All seven of these patients were changed to an average of 580 mg/day of ubiquinol (450-900 mg/day) with follow-up plasma CoQ10 levels, clinical status, and EF measurements by echocardiography. Mean plasma CoQ10 levels increased from 1.6 microg/ml (0.9-2.0 microg/ml) up to 6.5 microg/ml (2.6-9.3 microg/ml). Mean EF improved from 22% (10-35%) up to 39% (10-60%) and clinical improvement has been remarkable with NYHA class improving from a mean of IV to a mean of II (I to III). Ubiquinol has dramatically improved absorption in patients with severe heart failure and the improvement in plasma CoQ10 levels is correlated with both clinical improvement and improvement in measurement of left ventricular function.

Your welcome.

@713j Wow what a great supplement. It contains all of the supplements that I have read to help with PVCs and PACs.

I would love to take it as I take several different supplements. The only thing I need to check is the potassium. When I contacted my EP about reading that postassium was good for reducing PACs and PVCs then saw on my lab test I was already at the high end of potassium and said was not recommend I take a supplement for it. They did recommend the magnesium and to try the Taurine.

The heart calm does a good job of including a lot of the supplements recommending not only by MCC posters but medical doctors as well. The Taurine, Magnesium, are things I take and will check again about the potassium and see if the leve in the supplement is something of a level my EP would allow.

Thanks for the information on Heart Calm.

@dennis123 I find a lot of medical professionals do not look at the stress level causing more PVCs and PACs. I see you mentioned it here.

I have passed this along to my EP and HF doctor many times. What I am finding is a drug that helps with one issue causes more of another. I found that with Mexiltine (spell) reducing the VTAC but causing a lot more PACs and PVCs. I am going to buy the book you mentioned and look into the Flecaininde with my EP after I have another holter monitor.

I take magnesium at night and drink low sodium V-8 for potassium. Walk every day. Don't eat after 5pm and stay upright after eating. Simethicone (Gas-X chewable) for gas. Quigong and tai chi for breathing. The main challenge is stress because life is, well, stressful for all of us at some times.

#1- metoprolol, for people with relatively low HR, can make you dizzy and almost faint. Happened to me.

#2- Ask the doc for Flecainide. I had PACs starting after an ablation that took care of afib and was prescribed 100mg 2x/day. I split pill in half to start and it knocked out the PACs. You'll read bad stuff about Flecainide but if you do not have heart disease or havent had a heart attack, it is a great low side effect drug. I have trouble with a lot of drugs and was expecting nothing better with Flec, but I went from a few hundred to a thousand PACs a day to one or two.

#3- Get your anxiety under control. It is a condition not a disease and it is 100% possible to control. Anxiety is one cause of PACs and tachycardia. Metoprolol caused my anxiety after I stopped it and I had bouts of tachycardia until I got it under control mentally. Buy this book "At last a life" by Paul David.

My PACs may be caused by the ablation irritating the heart and they may go away on their own so I will pause the Flec at some point to gauge condition, but am glad so far that Flec knocks them out so quickly.

Thanks

@713j I understand you were looking for help with PVC's and PAC's but I think the book applies. These are all electrical disturbances with common triggers and some common approaches, in my experience. But ask your doctor!