Lichen planus

Posted by firelady @firelady, Sep 2, 2012

I was diagnosed about two yrs ago with lichen planus an auto imune disease they say it is very rare and not contagious yet my younger brother has it also. I have the skin lichen planus as well as oral lichen planus which affects my gums, cheeks, and tongue. It is very , very painful. I had a very large back surgery in April and I got lichen planus sores on my back as a result of the trauma from surgery my incision that is twenty inches long healed but my sores from lichen planus are still open. I don't know how to get them to heal and right now I have just developed an outbreak in my mouth. The pain is so deep in the nerves that I feel like my teeth are going to explode and I can feel my pulse under my teeth. I can't explain the pain and I am begging for someone to tell me if they found anything that helps with the pain. Also I never heard of lichen planus , what can I expect from this disease? How often will I have outbreaks? will it ever go away? Should I have my teeth pulled out or will dentures make it even worse? Not too many doctors seem to know much if anything about this auto imune disease.

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@strafer

Looking for more information for treatment of LP. and stumbled on this site. How did the rituximab help you?
Good luck and thanks
Jim

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@strafer Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect! I’m glad you stumbled on this site because members like to help other members find answers. This discussion that you are currently on is the largest one I’ve found on LP. Many members mentioned what has worked/or not-worked for them, so you just need to read and find out!
I take rituximab for an entirely different autoimmune disease and it’s working beautifully!
Have you seen a rheumatologist or dermatologist yet? What have they advised?

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@becsbuddy

@klschepp Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect! I certainly hope that you will find the help here that you need. You are in a very difficult situation and insurance only wants to make it more difficult. I had the same problem when a doctor ordered rituximab. It was denied but the doctor persisted. I was finally given the OK and the drug company, Genentech, paid for it out of their charity fund. You might check with the drug company to see if they have some funds for patients who can’t afford their prices. The next time it was denied because the coding was wrong.
I’m sure you will hear from members soon.
If I may ask, how did you find Mayo Connect?

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Looking for more information for treatment of LP. and stumbled on this site. How did the rituximab help you?
Good luck and thanks
Jim

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I've been dealing with LP since my early 20s and at 75, it flares up all over my legs and lower back. I tried Triamcinolon cream and this stopped the insane itching. In my 40s a VA doctor prescribed clobetasol 0.5% cream. This worked better than the Triamcinolon cream in clearing up the rash-like eruption and itching. I noticed that drinking alcohol aggravated the rash. Liver function tests remained normal. Not all LP eruptions respond to these treatments.
I am currently testing different foods in my diet to alleviate my symptoms. Alcohol is definitely a factor so no etoh for me. I'm suspicious of tomatoes and acidic juices. Sodas and colas are suspicious.
I worked as a lab tech in the college health care ctr. I cultured bacteriae and must have inhaled some mixture of different bacti and got severely ill so this could have affected my liver. In those days we cultured bacti with no masks on and poor ventilation.
I drink only 1 cup of coffee/ day so caffeine is not really an issue, but if in addition that I drink caffeinated sodas during the day, I suspect that it could really be a factor. I hope someone else is trying to heal us. If any of you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them.
Thx. Jim

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@marils

I have ELP. So far, I have had 18 EGD's and esophageal dilations due to severe stricturization of the esophagus. It took me 18 years to get diagnosed, because it is so rare. My new doctor at U of MI hospital says there are about 80 cases in the world, and he specializes in ELP. There is no cure for it. It made me deaf. Took away my sense o of smell and taste. It ate my hair down to the skull, started to erode the bone between the sinus cavity and the cranial vault. It affected my fingernails and toenails. I had blisters and lesions all over my legs. It also affected my breathing and grew polyps in my sinus requiring surgery. However, immunosuppresants help, but can have serious side effects. Cellcept curbed my ELP, but made me diabetic, cranked my blood pressure, gave me acid diarrhea, etc. I was taken off of it, but it arrested my ELP from 2018- 2023. I am now using Olumniant since January. It's helping. Less side effects. But immunosuppressants seem to take a long time for them to work with ELP, but so far I am pleased. Work of caution. Despite self distancing for years, I somehow caught an infection. It paralyzed me and I was rushed to the hospital. It required leg surgery. I was told I had had a septic infection, probably due to the immunosuppressant. I started gaining a tremendous amount of weight. 20 lbs a month. That' was they told me that I have acute heart failure, but they don't know what caused it, but the hospital had not caught it earlier because they didn't check the heart during the infection. Up to then, I had had a history of having a strong heart.

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Hi,
I had no idea ELP could cause all of the medical conditions you have had and, have now.
I'm so sorry the ELP has caused so many health problems for you.
I feel for you.❤️
I have had complicated health issues also.
Although, your health issues are unbelievable!
I'm here if you ever want to chat.

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@marils

I have ELP. So far, I have had 18 EGD's and esophageal dilations due to severe stricturization of the esophagus. It took me 18 years to get diagnosed, because it is so rare. My new doctor at U of MI hospital says there are about 80 cases in the world, and he specializes in ELP. There is no cure for it. It made me deaf. Took away my sense o of smell and taste. It ate my hair down to the skull, started to erode the bone between the sinus cavity and the cranial vault. It affected my fingernails and toenails. I had blisters and lesions all over my legs. It also affected my breathing and grew polyps in my sinus requiring surgery. However, immunosuppresants help, but can have serious side effects. Cellcept curbed my ELP, but made me diabetic, cranked my blood pressure, gave me acid diarrhea, etc. I was taken off of it, but it arrested my ELP from 2018- 2023. I am now using Olumniant since January. It's helping. Less side effects. But immunosuppressants seem to take a long time for them to work with ELP, but so far I am pleased. Work of caution. Despite self distancing for years, I somehow caught an infection. It paralyzed me and I was rushed to the hospital. It required leg surgery. I was told I had had a septic infection, probably due to the immunosuppressant. I started gaining a tremendous amount of weight. 20 lbs a month. That' was they told me that I have acute heart failure, but they don't know what caused it, but the hospital had not caught it earlier because they didn't check the heart during the infection. Up to then, I had had a history of having a strong heart.

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@marils Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect! I’m sure members will respond soon with their experiences of ELP and some helpful advice.
Why did no doctor diagnose you before 18 years? Didn’t they see all the side effects that you mentioned?
But, now you’ve found MCC. and everyone here is so helpful and encouraging!

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@klschepp

I was diagnosed with LP in 2020, but have been dealing with this disease much longer. By the time I was diagnosed I had no finger nails on my right hand and most of my toenails were gone too. My feet had blisters and lesions and the typical "lacing" especially on my feet. The condition always gets bad in the winter months but this year was especially bad.
My dermatologist tried the JAK inhibitor, Cibinco (spelling? ) and after 6 weeks I saw some improvement. The Dr tried to get my insurance company to approve this drug for me but it was declined. All the progess that had been made to that time reversed and my condition became worse. The Dr tried to get pre authorization for Renvoq and it was initially declined.
Before starting the JAK inhibitors I had blood tests taken. At the end of the 6 weeks of Cibinco my cholesterol jumped 50 points and my white blood cells plummeted.
The costs of both drugs ($10,500 for 30 days of Cibinco and $6700 for 30 days of Renvoq) were offset by the drug companies savings program. My monthly copay for Renvoq is $5. But there are also programs through the drug companies where you can get a $15,000 voucher to offset the costs of the drug.
I went to another dermatologist and he gave me an additional diagnosis of atopic dermatitis in addition to the LP that is now in my mouth.
Has anyone else been prescribed this course of drugs to help with LP? I am 74 and the Dr said Renvoq is typically prescribed for patients 45 and under. Thank you

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Cellcept worked wonders for ELP, and my case was severe. My esophagus shrunk to the side of a No. 2 pencil. I too, had no fingernails and lesions, plus other symptoms. Cellcept arrested my ELP for 5 years, but I finally had to stop it. But last year, I got a new doctor, an award winning researcher, and he put me on Olumiant (an immunosuppressant that is usually used for rheumatoid arthritis). It seems to work faster than Cellcept, but it's too soon to know what the final results will be. Olumiant, too, has side effects, but not as severe. But your immune system is greatly reduced. So be careful.

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@sadea0208

I have Esophageal Lichen Planus which is incredibly rare. There are approximately twenty cases of Esophageal Lichen Planus reported in the medical literature! I would like to do what I can to initiate research on this. I would love to connect with someone suffering with ELP.

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I have ELP. So far, I have had 18 EGD's and esophageal dilations due to severe stricturization of the esophagus. It took me 18 years to get diagnosed, because it is so rare. My new doctor at U of MI hospital says there are about 80 cases in the world, and he specializes in ELP. There is no cure for it. It made me deaf. Took away my sense o of smell and taste. It ate my hair down to the skull, started to erode the bone between the sinus cavity and the cranial vault. It affected my fingernails and toenails. I had blisters and lesions all over my legs. It also affected my breathing and grew polyps in my sinus requiring surgery. However, immunosuppresants help, but can have serious side effects. Cellcept curbed my ELP, but made me diabetic, cranked my blood pressure, gave me acid diarrhea, etc. I was taken off of it, but it arrested my ELP from 2018- 2023. I am now using Olumniant since January. It's helping. Less side effects. But immunosuppressants seem to take a long time for them to work with ELP, but so far I am pleased. Work of caution. Despite self distancing for years, I somehow caught an infection. It paralyzed me and I was rushed to the hospital. It required leg surgery. I was told I had had a septic infection, probably due to the immunosuppressant. I started gaining a tremendous amount of weight. 20 lbs a month. That' was they told me that I have acute heart failure, but they don't know what caused it, but the hospital had not caught it earlier because they didn't check the heart during the infection. Up to then, I had had a history of having a strong heart.

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@klschepp

I was diagnosed with LP in 2020, but have been dealing with this disease much longer. By the time I was diagnosed I had no finger nails on my right hand and most of my toenails were gone too. My feet had blisters and lesions and the typical "lacing" especially on my feet. The condition always gets bad in the winter months but this year was especially bad.
My dermatologist tried the JAK inhibitor, Cibinco (spelling? ) and after 6 weeks I saw some improvement. The Dr tried to get my insurance company to approve this drug for me but it was declined. All the progess that had been made to that time reversed and my condition became worse. The Dr tried to get pre authorization for Renvoq and it was initially declined.
Before starting the JAK inhibitors I had blood tests taken. At the end of the 6 weeks of Cibinco my cholesterol jumped 50 points and my white blood cells plummeted.
The costs of both drugs ($10,500 for 30 days of Cibinco and $6700 for 30 days of Renvoq) were offset by the drug companies savings program. My monthly copay for Renvoq is $5. But there are also programs through the drug companies where you can get a $15,000 voucher to offset the costs of the drug.
I went to another dermatologist and he gave me an additional diagnosis of atopic dermatitis in addition to the LP that is now in my mouth.
Has anyone else been prescribed this course of drugs to help with LP? I am 74 and the Dr said Renvoq is typically prescribed for patients 45 and under. Thank you

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@klschepp Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect! I certainly hope that you will find the help here that you need. You are in a very difficult situation and insurance only wants to make it more difficult. I had the same problem when a doctor ordered rituximab. It was denied but the doctor persisted. I was finally given the OK and the drug company, Genentech, paid for it out of their charity fund. You might check with the drug company to see if they have some funds for patients who can’t afford their prices. The next time it was denied because the coding was wrong.
I’m sure you will hear from members soon.
If I may ask, how did you find Mayo Connect?

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I was diagnosed with LP in 2020, but have been dealing with this disease much longer. By the time I was diagnosed I had no finger nails on my right hand and most of my toenails were gone too. My feet had blisters and lesions and the typical "lacing" especially on my feet. The condition always gets bad in the winter months but this year was especially bad.
My dermatologist tried the JAK inhibitor, Cibinco (spelling? ) and after 6 weeks I saw some improvement. The Dr tried to get my insurance company to approve this drug for me but it was declined. All the progess that had been made to that time reversed and my condition became worse. The Dr tried to get pre authorization for Renvoq and it was initially declined.
Before starting the JAK inhibitors I had blood tests taken. At the end of the 6 weeks of Cibinco my cholesterol jumped 50 points and my white blood cells plummeted.
The costs of both drugs ($10,500 for 30 days of Cibinco and $6700 for 30 days of Renvoq) were offset by the drug companies savings program. My monthly copay for Renvoq is $5. But there are also programs through the drug companies where you can get a $15,000 voucher to offset the costs of the drug.
I went to another dermatologist and he gave me an additional diagnosis of atopic dermatitis in addition to the LP that is now in my mouth.
Has anyone else been prescribed this course of drugs to help with LP? I am 74 and the Dr said Renvoq is typically prescribed for patients 45 and under. Thank you

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Not permanently.

She's 36 years old now so it's hard to remember. Her mouth was purple at least overnight., but I can't remember how long it lasted. I don't think it was very long or I would remember probably.

She didn't have teeth or dentures or caps or anything in her mouth, like an adult has, that might stain.

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