Just diagnosed Stage 3 CKD: Should I be referred to a nephrologist?

Posted by pmsfarmer @pmsfarmer, May 21, 2019

My Dr. sort of blew this off, but I am concerned about living awhile past 69, my current age. Any suggestions appreciated. He didn't feel a referral to a nephrologist was necessary.

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@kamama94

@pmsfarmer, I've read and my docs also have told me you can live quite awhile in stage 3. They also told me that as we near 70 our kidney function naturally declines as part of aging and what would be abnormal for a young person isn't necessarily bad for someone 70+. When I was first diagnosed I was in stage 4 but moved up to stage three with proper diet and good medical management. Occasionally I drop back to stage 4 temporarily, depending mostly on what's going on with meds for other health conditions, but for the most part have been pretty stable for two years. Two different nephrologists have told me they don't usually start considering dialysis until a patient's filtration rate drops below 20 and stays there. As long as your primary care doctor monitors your lab work to check your kidney function, he may feel you don't need to go to a specialist yet. However, as patients, we are ALWAYS entitled to a second opinion. Or a third. Etc. Most docs don't object if you ask for a referral to a specialist "just" for a 2nd opinion. Quite frankly, although my own neph is considered to be one of the best, I have much better rapport with my very knowledgeable primary and would just as soon he managed my CKD but he feels a neph is more appropriate so I'm doing as he asks. Hope this helps and welcome to this discussion! There's good info here and lots of support.

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My kidney function dropped from plus 60 to 45 ,caused by extreme high blood pressure for three days. That was 11 yrs, ago at 71. I'm 82 now and my most recent blood work ,this past May my kidney function was 51. I have never been to a kidney dr. or taken any medication, other than to regulate my BP .I eat a decent diet and get lots exercise,mostly walking.

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My Cystatin C eGFR was much better than my creatinine eGFR, so make sure to get the Cystatin C one. I was told that losing weight/muscle mass can affect the creatinine eGFR.

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@gingerw

@kamama94 and @collegeprof Both of you are absolute stars in my book. Diet is so critical in managing CKD, and when we are aware of underlying causes, managing those causes only aid in getting us as healthy as we can. Management is not for the wimpy, or those who sit idly by; we need to step up and take control! Decades ago I put myself on a renal diet, and doctors kept telling me, "You don't need to do that, You're healthy." All I knew was preserving my kidney function as long as possible was top of my list. Having an autoimmune condition as a underlying cause meant I had to step up in other ways.

@kamama94, you're right about label reading and time consuming for watchful eating. But the effort pays off. It becomes second nature, to some extent.

My eGFR was recently shown to be 16, up from 14 when I started dialysis a year ago. With conscious eating of quality foods and especially protein, it is my goal to keep it there!
Ginger

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Ginger et al, Thank you for your info. I recently have ‘’progressed’’ to stage 3b, along with several autoimmune diseases, Two strokes and now finally docs got the message I needed a Pacemaker after my heart stopped beating a few times in ER! Sigh! Then medical school students stepped in to take away needed meds which then caused lungs to fill with fluid, with kidney damage of course, and PCP nixed need for renal diet but I started that anyway! I unfortunately live in a country with no malpractice and socialized medicine….a lethal combination! Soooo, bottom line: be scrupulous in watching your back and acquiring knowledge ..thank you Mayo Connect, the wise moderators and postings…….if you have a credible gut feeling, go with it! We all need to outlive the idiots lurking out there!

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@windyshores

My Cystatin C eGFR was much better than my creatinine eGFR, so make sure to get the Cystatin C one. I was told that losing weight/muscle mass can affect the creatinine eGFR.

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@windyshores
The best marker for kidney function is a Cystantin C test. Other than Medicare, some insurance companies do not cover this test. My nephrologist tells me that she is not so concerned about the creatinine eGFR as many are bodybuilders or exercise a great deal to get lean muscle mass. Ideally, she says both tests should be about the same eGFR. You are in good hands if your Cystatin C is high. Incidentally, I read somewhere that Cystatin C is in the high 90s percentile for accuracy of kidney disease as opposed to creatinine eGFR which is in the 60s. Interesting!

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@collegeprof

@windyshores
The best marker for kidney function is a Cystantin C test. Other than Medicare, some insurance companies do not cover this test. My nephrologist tells me that she is not so concerned about the creatinine eGFR as many are bodybuilders or exercise a great deal to get lean muscle mass. Ideally, she says both tests should be about the same eGFR. You are in good hands if your Cystatin C is high. Incidentally, I read somewhere that Cystatin C is in the high 90s percentile for accuracy of kidney disease as opposed to creatinine eGFR which is in the 60s. Interesting!

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My eGFR is 41 and Cystatin C is 54. I am going with the Cystatin C.

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@windyshores

My eGFR is 41 and Cystatin C is 54. I am going with the Cystatin C.

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@windyshores

If your Cystatin C eGFR goes above 60, you will no longer be considered having CKD. Great job!

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@collegeprof

@windyshores

If your Cystatin C eGFR goes above 60, you will no longer be considered having CKD. Great job!

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I have been working hard and with the ever declining creatinine eGFR was so glad they did the Cystatin C.
Just hoping Reclast doesn't affect my kidneys.

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@collegeprof

@windyshores

If your Cystatin C eGFR goes above 60, you will no longer be considered having CKD. Great job!

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@collegeprof Too bad I can't get the Cystatin C eGFR test done. They don't concern themselves too much with either value at this point, seeing that I am on daily dialysis. Each month my cancer center gives me my eGFR value within the battery of tests they get from me. I'm down to 13% now.
Ginger

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I've had an ileostomy for about 5 years now and it has taken a toll on my kidneys mostly due to the dehydration ileostomies are known for. I was diagnosed with CKD 3 also. I have stones often which are too large to pass and have to have surgery to remove them. Anyone else with an ostomy in the group?

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@gingerw

@collegeprof Too bad I can't get the Cystatin C eGFR test done. They don't concern themselves too much with either value at this point, seeing that I am on daily dialysis. Each month my cancer center gives me my eGFR value within the battery of tests they get from me. I'm down to 13% now.
Ginger

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@gingerw

I have low muscle mass, and on my last visit to my nephrologist, she tells me that muscle mass creatinine can be improved with physical therapy or a weekly regimen at a fitness center. Just thinking aloud, perhaps with improvement of muscle mass and its eGFR might also improve Cystatin C eGFR. Cystatin C is expensive because it looks at all your cells rather than a confined area like muscle mass. Even on dialysis, perhaps with muscle mass improvement can lend itself to getting off dialysis or perhaps minimizing your time on dialysis.

Lastly, I saw on 60 Minutes or somewhere where a gentleman remained in a coma and life support with no chance of recovery. Docs were able to transplant his kidney from that of a pig to him, and so far, this has been successful, So there is some hope of future trials and research in the areas of cancer treatment and CKD.

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