Ischial bursitis

Posted by ch47 @ch47, Jul 8, 2023

Has anyone been diagnosed with this? I have terrible pain in area between buttocks and hamstrings. For 3-4 years. Siting for more than 10 minutes at a time is almost impossible.
I have been doing intense physical therapy on and off for 6 years since an automobile accident. I’m in pretty good shape, except for this pain.
Finally diagnosed with ischial bursitis and having an MRI in two days to see if there are any tears in the hamstrings.
Too much PT?
Too much trail walking?
If there are tears, how are they repaired?

I’m using diclofenac 1.3 patches cut in half to take the edge off.
I’ve tried most RX meds and over the counter things.

Any ideas?

Thanks!!!

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@ch47

Thank you again, just reread your post. Slowly-filled with great info.
Really interesting about the taping, even the sham taping. When I put a 1/2 diclofenac patch on each side, (takes a few hours for Med to penetrate) it seems to feel better almost immediately…not perfect, but somewhat better, I know that it’s not the Med yet…was starting to think I’m making things up in my brain…

Who diagnosed your central sensitivity? A neurologist? Pain management? I saw a neurologist several years ago for other nerve issues that appeared after the accident.
I am going to find that rabbit hole and try to find more info about central sensitivity.
Thanks again!

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So sorry I forgot to reply! Sometimes I get a lot of notifications and then just kinda lose track >_< I didn't intend to ignore you.

Did you end up feeling like central sensitivity was a fit for your experience?

My PT was the first person to bring up central sensitivity. They use a framework called the "Continuum of Pain Mechanisms" to identify where you fall on this spectrum, and depending on how your brain/body is responding to stimuli and creating pain (especially chronic pain), there are often particular approaches that can work better to retrain the brain and lower the volume on the pain signals. I fell way on the farthest end of the spectrum for the most persistent pain--which always includes central sensitivity.

Interestingly, she didn't really refer to it as a "diagnosis" (she has repeatedly said she's "not into labels," which I always told her was fine for her, but a label and credibiilty is what gets a patient access to care in this situation!)

Technically, the first physician to type it up in my chart was a physiatrist (physical medicine + rehab) physician at Mayo Clinic. From being at two Mayo campuses (long story), it seems their physicians have drastically much more awareness and motivation to treat central sensitivity (though also from my experience, it's sometimes missed the mark or wasn't the best fit for me). Other physicians I have seem aware of it in various amounts, but no one's really gung ho about trying to help me treat it. Physiatrists seem most aware of it, also PTs (though not everyone), and I got lucky and my PCP treats many people like me. But by the time I found her, I'd already gotten a lot of help from my PT and physiatrist.

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Will look up central sensitivity…thanks!!!

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@emo

So sorry I forgot to reply! Sometimes I get a lot of notifications and then just kinda lose track >_< I didn't intend to ignore you.

Did you end up feeling like central sensitivity was a fit for your experience?

My PT was the first person to bring up central sensitivity. They use a framework called the "Continuum of Pain Mechanisms" to identify where you fall on this spectrum, and depending on how your brain/body is responding to stimuli and creating pain (especially chronic pain), there are often particular approaches that can work better to retrain the brain and lower the volume on the pain signals. I fell way on the farthest end of the spectrum for the most persistent pain--which always includes central sensitivity.

Interestingly, she didn't really refer to it as a "diagnosis" (she has repeatedly said she's "not into labels," which I always told her was fine for her, but a label and credibiilty is what gets a patient access to care in this situation!)

Technically, the first physician to type it up in my chart was a physiatrist (physical medicine + rehab) physician at Mayo Clinic. From being at two Mayo campuses (long story), it seems their physicians have drastically much more awareness and motivation to treat central sensitivity (though also from my experience, it's sometimes missed the mark or wasn't the best fit for me). Other physicians I have seem aware of it in various amounts, but no one's really gung ho about trying to help me treat it. Physiatrists seem most aware of it, also PTs (though not everyone), and I got lucky and my PCP treats many people like me. But by the time I found her, I'd already gotten a lot of help from my PT and physiatrist.

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@ch47 @emo I happen to notice your comments here. You may be interested in these discussions about Central Sensitization where you can connect with other members and our mentor, Rachel @rwinney who knows a lot about this subject.

Chronic Pain - "Has anyone been diagnosed with Central Sensitization?"
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/has-anyone-been-diagnosed-with-central-sensitization-if-so-id-like-to/

Chronic Pain - "Central Sensitization - please share your stories"
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/central-sensitization-please-share-your-stories/

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@emo

For what it's worth, I can relate... But having more information I feel means we can take back some agency, even though it doesn't make up for all that might have been lost by the time we got to this point.

Do you think you have central sensitization, or hypermobility (HSD/EDS)?

I just came across this blog post on WebMD if you're interested in learning more about central sensitivity (which many people with hypermobility also have): https://blogs.webmd.com/pain-management/20230731/disabling-pain-tests-may-not-tell-you-why

Apparently, the physician who wrote it has a book coming out soon about chronic pain/central sensitivity. But I checked out her website, and she has some blog posts specific to central sensitivity that could be helpful if you're wanting to learn more: https://askdrshana.com/

I didn't look too deeply into it; it might be a little thin on specific recommendations, but I'm happy to share my experience if any of it would help. Or just commiserate.

And @ch47 I'm so sorry I just realized I never replied to your post! Sometimes if I delete the notification, I lose track of it. Were you able to find anything that helped? The above sites are new to me, so might be of interest to you too.

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Tried the k taping. Seemed to feel better in the bursitis area, than the hamstring area.
But…pt said I had plateaued…I couldn’t do some of the stuff they wanted me to do because of the bursitis. So I’m out!!! Anyway, I guess we have to get the bursitis in a more comfortable place and can go back. Sent home with a program that I won’t start yet. because of the ablation.
Wonder if the fact she’s leaving in two weeks had anything to do with it???
New pelvic pt in town with great experience and also does bio feedback. Will wait for a bit before seeing her, though.
Stretching feels the most wonderful and then awful after. I am very flexible, still…wonder if I have your issues.
I think trail walking, miles a day, every day, is culprit without the proper muscle strength?
Maybe good thing last pt is leaving…helpful but new ideas coming up. Still using diclofenac patches, doc said I could use two at a time. Very helpful for inflammation.
Also using methocarbamol (muscle relaxers) seems cross purposes, but need for internal pelvic stuff. So many things we have…
Cristinakurz, hope you will find some helpful info from all this…pm me or anyone if you want more personal info-no one has not responded
Together maybe we can all help each other!!!

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@jenniferhunter

@ch47 @emo I happen to notice your comments here. You may be interested in these discussions about Central Sensitization where you can connect with other members and our mentor, Rachel @rwinney who knows a lot about this subject.

Chronic Pain - "Has anyone been diagnosed with Central Sensitization?"
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/has-anyone-been-diagnosed-with-central-sensitization-if-so-id-like-to/

Chronic Pain - "Central Sensitization - please share your stories"
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/central-sensitization-please-share-your-stories/

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Thank you for the introduction, Jennifer @jenniferhunter. Along with the helpful CSS discussions provided, I also recommend watching the attached educational video by Dr. Sletten of Mayo Clinic's Pain Rehabilitation Center.

Dr. Christopher Sletten -Central Sensitization Syndrome:
https://youtu.be/vJNhdnSK3WQ

Dr. Sletten scientifically explains Central Sensitization Syndrome and breaks down a plan for management.

@ch47 and @emo, I'd love to hear back from you and know if you find the video enlightening or if any parts resonate with you. @ch47, I hope researching CSS will help you along with clarity about your journey.

@emo, you seem to have a pretty good handle on your management approach and have shared a lot of helpful info. A physiatrist seemed to be your key to unleashing a plan. My key was self-advocating by watching Dr. Sletten's video then applying to the MayoPain Rehab Center. Best move ever!

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@emo

For what it's worth, I can relate... But having more information I feel means we can take back some agency, even though it doesn't make up for all that might have been lost by the time we got to this point.

Do you think you have central sensitization, or hypermobility (HSD/EDS)?

I just came across this blog post on WebMD if you're interested in learning more about central sensitivity (which many people with hypermobility also have): https://blogs.webmd.com/pain-management/20230731/disabling-pain-tests-may-not-tell-you-why

Apparently, the physician who wrote it has a book coming out soon about chronic pain/central sensitivity. But I checked out her website, and she has some blog posts specific to central sensitivity that could be helpful if you're wanting to learn more: https://askdrshana.com/

I didn't look too deeply into it; it might be a little thin on specific recommendations, but I'm happy to share my experience if any of it would help. Or just commiserate.

And @ch47 I'm so sorry I just realized I never replied to your post! Sometimes if I delete the notification, I lose track of it. Were you able to find anything that helped? The above sites are new to me, so might be of interest to you too.

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I just printed and took the central sensitization inventory. I scored 72 so I guess I pass with flying colors. Why have I never hear of this?
Definitely hypermobile and have a few autoimmune diagnosis seronegative, Spondyloarthropathy, fibromyalgia, and Hashimoto’s. I have had multiple tears and surgeries in my hip, elbow,knees, etc. that no one could really explain how these problems happened. I had a doctor put in a temporary spinal stimulator to help my lower back pain and he left me with even more damage and neuropathy, etc. I have seen more doctors and specialists than I can count and spent an absolute fortune trying to figure out what is going on with my body. My stomach has been a mess for a long time and the G.I. doctor can’t figure that one out either. Is this sounding at all familiar?

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@emo

For what it's worth, I can relate... But having more information I feel means we can take back some agency, even though it doesn't make up for all that might have been lost by the time we got to this point.

Do you think you have central sensitization, or hypermobility (HSD/EDS)?

I just came across this blog post on WebMD if you're interested in learning more about central sensitivity (which many people with hypermobility also have): https://blogs.webmd.com/pain-management/20230731/disabling-pain-tests-may-not-tell-you-why

Apparently, the physician who wrote it has a book coming out soon about chronic pain/central sensitivity. But I checked out her website, and she has some blog posts specific to central sensitivity that could be helpful if you're wanting to learn more: https://askdrshana.com/

I didn't look too deeply into it; it might be a little thin on specific recommendations, but I'm happy to share my experience if any of it would help. Or just commiserate.

And @ch47 I'm so sorry I just realized I never replied to your post! Sometimes if I delete the notification, I lose track of it. Were you able to find anything that helped? The above sites are new to me, so might be of interest to you too.

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Just read the bit about sensitivity…my pain every where increases with stress…and my normal blood pressure goes up not to so normal…please send anything about this…I know my issues really really amp up when I’m stressed… I know I have real problems, but I’d love to learn how to control things if I could…

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@emo

So sorry I forgot to reply! Sometimes I get a lot of notifications and then just kinda lose track >_< I didn't intend to ignore you.

Did you end up feeling like central sensitivity was a fit for your experience?

My PT was the first person to bring up central sensitivity. They use a framework called the "Continuum of Pain Mechanisms" to identify where you fall on this spectrum, and depending on how your brain/body is responding to stimuli and creating pain (especially chronic pain), there are often particular approaches that can work better to retrain the brain and lower the volume on the pain signals. I fell way on the farthest end of the spectrum for the most persistent pain--which always includes central sensitivity.

Interestingly, she didn't really refer to it as a "diagnosis" (she has repeatedly said she's "not into labels," which I always told her was fine for her, but a label and credibiilty is what gets a patient access to care in this situation!)

Technically, the first physician to type it up in my chart was a physiatrist (physical medicine + rehab) physician at Mayo Clinic. From being at two Mayo campuses (long story), it seems their physicians have drastically much more awareness and motivation to treat central sensitivity (though also from my experience, it's sometimes missed the mark or wasn't the best fit for me). Other physicians I have seem aware of it in various amounts, but no one's really gung ho about trying to help me treat it. Physiatrists seem most aware of it, also PTs (though not everyone), and I got lucky and my PCP treats many people like me. But by the time I found her, I'd already gotten a lot of help from my PT and physiatrist.

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Would this be something like bio feedback? The new pelvic pt in town practices this…

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@christinakrtz

I just printed and took the central sensitization inventory. I scored 72 so I guess I pass with flying colors. Why have I never hear of this?
Definitely hypermobile and have a few autoimmune diagnosis seronegative, Spondyloarthropathy, fibromyalgia, and Hashimoto’s. I have had multiple tears and surgeries in my hip, elbow,knees, etc. that no one could really explain how these problems happened. I had a doctor put in a temporary spinal stimulator to help my lower back pain and he left me with even more damage and neuropathy, etc. I have seen more doctors and specialists than I can count and spent an absolute fortune trying to figure out what is going on with my body. My stomach has been a mess for a long time and the G.I. doctor can’t figure that one out either. Is this sounding at all familiar?

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I will get into this reading and research tomorrow, want to grab every crumb…

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@rwinney

Thank you for the introduction, Jennifer @jenniferhunter. Along with the helpful CSS discussions provided, I also recommend watching the attached educational video by Dr. Sletten of Mayo Clinic's Pain Rehabilitation Center.

Dr. Christopher Sletten -Central Sensitization Syndrome:
https://youtu.be/vJNhdnSK3WQ

Dr. Sletten scientifically explains Central Sensitization Syndrome and breaks down a plan for management.

@ch47 and @emo, I'd love to hear back from you and know if you find the video enlightening or if any parts resonate with you. @ch47, I hope researching CSS will help you along with clarity about your journey.

@emo, you seem to have a pretty good handle on your management approach and have shared a lot of helpful info. A physiatrist seemed to be your key to unleashing a plan. My key was self-advocating by watching Dr. Sletten's video then applying to the MayoPain Rehab Center. Best move ever!

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Rachel and Jennifer,

Thank you for sending this video!
I am sure that I have CSS, at some levels. Any stress totally aggravates my butt pain…probably the worst thing in my life now. Diagnosed recently with ischial bursitis, which makes sleeping, sitting for any short time, of course travel, etc etc really miserable or undoable. I was diagnosed with Levator ani syndrome about 4 years ago, and asked how to heal it. Doctor said no way to heal. Time…??? Unbearably painful. It has eased up some, and my urologist had helped with some rectal meds that take the edge off.
All of this after an accident that left no visible or obvious damage.
I have severe scoliosis, so I am sure there was some nerve damage as I braced for the big hit.
As the video mentioned, I was a type A, golfing, skiing, sailing, gardening, hiking…didn’t even know I had scoliosis until I was 50 with a routine chest X-ray.
I am otherwise very healthy for 71.
Now I go for a dentist appointment, routine check up etc, not to mention a treatment of some sort, and my normal low blood pressure skyrockets.
I go home and take my blood pressure for three days, just to make sure it is still normal.
Gave up all the meds, except for some low dose naltrexone, which was recommended recently.
I just want my life back at some level and unsure how to do it.
Florida Mayo is like 4-5 hours away.
Does insurance cover this three week program-where do you stay?
Are there any books, videos, or programs of this sort that are closer to Augusta GA?
Anyone out there have experience with this type of healing process? Would be great to hear from you…
Thanks again…
ch47

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