Has anyone used the Marodyne device to stimulate bone growth?

Posted by maryeve @maryeve, Aug 21, 2023

You stand on it twice a day for 10 minutes. It gently vibrates and also helps with improving balance. The Marodyne is made in Germany and costs about $3,000. It has not been FDA approved but there are studies in progress.

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I believe my need to find a "natural" solution to treat osteoporosis made me stick with something that wasn't working for way too long. That coupled with a research doctor who was getting funding to prove it did work created the "perfect storm" of basically no treatment at all except for calcium and vitamin d. I wasted 7 years of treatment time that I could have had. In 2020 I fractured my foot from the simple act of pushing on the footrest of a recliner.
Dr Clinton Rubin's 2001 grant from NASA was ended in 2008. Here is the results of his study, as well as what NASA is using as of 2013 on the International Space station to combat weightlessness induced osteoporosis.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/511800main_NxPCM%20Assessment%20for%20VIBE.pdfhttps://asbmr.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jbmr.1948
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@tschurch

I used the Marodyne platform for 7 years as it was the only option offered to me by my endocrinologist in 2013 besides Prolia. I had the first shot of Prolia with no problems but the second shot 6 months later I broke out in a rash. That left me only the machine. In spite of declining numbers on each Dexa scan she offered no other solutions. Since I had had breast cancer I was sent to this endocrinologist by my oncologist. This particular endocrinologist was a researcher in the cancer center and only treated breast cancer survivors. She left in 2020 and I went to a "regular" endocrinologist and am now using liquid Alendronate and have already seen improvement in my bone density. I found out later that my original endocrinologist had received a 1.6 million grant from the Dept. of Defense to conduct research on the vibrating platforms for bone health. She'd already been conducting research on her own before the grant with the founder of Marodyne, Dr Clinton Rubin from Stonybrook in NY. I was, as I'm sure many other patients of hers, were used as "lab rats" for the benefit of both these unethical doctors to try to prove that vibrating platforms can improve bone density. They never did but Marodyne is still selling machines for $3000 as if they are effective. I went from Osteopenia to severe Osteoporosis and I can definitely say it is a scam to line the pockets of unethical doctors and especially Marodyne. I wanted to believe in it because after doing chemo and radiation and long term medicine for cancer, I wanted to not have to take any more drugs. Cancer patients are a particularly vulnerable group to fall for this type of scam because of our experiences already with powerful drugs. In Europe vibrating platforms are only approved for Osteoporosis if they are also used in conjunction with a traditional osteoporosis medication. They are not approved at all in the US. Don't waste your time and money, but most importantly your bone health.

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WOW, ty for that very honest assessment & information, you certainly made my mind up about the Marodyne! I will purchase a less expensive model. I'm happy to hear your new treatment has been successful. 💜

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@tschurch

I believe my need to find a "natural" solution to treat osteoporosis made me stick with something that wasn't working for way too long. That coupled with a research doctor who was getting funding to prove it did work created the "perfect storm" of basically no treatment at all except for calcium and vitamin d. I wasted 7 years of treatment time that I could have had. In 2020 I fractured my foot from the simple act of pushing on the footrest of a recliner.
Dr Clinton Rubin's 2001 grant from NASA was ended in 2008. Here is the results of his study, as well as what NASA is using as of 2013 on the International Space station to combat weightlessness induced osteoporosis.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/511800main_NxPCM%20Assessment%20for%20VIBE.pdfhttps://asbmr.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jbmr.1948

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Again WOW! (first link) This sounds like NASA scrapped the Marodyne after results did not show efficacy... ! Am I reading that correctly? Please give feedback on my interpretation.
(Second link) Looks like NASA was using heavy loads exercise machines (ARED) in the space capsule itself and recommended astronauts use the machines several times a week during space flight. Also they looked a biphosonates. This is interesting as it looks like there was some funding from some of the pharmaceutical companies.
Heavy loading is what the Liftmor Study was all about - showing it can actually build bone in older postmenopausal women. Sounds like NASA came to the same conclusion.

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@rola

WOW, ty for that very honest assessment & information, you certainly made my mind up about the Marodyne! I will purchase a less expensive model. I'm happy to hear your new treatment has been successful. 💜

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It sounds like you want to get a whole body vibration platform that is less expensive than the Marodyne. Please do be careful if you purchase a less expensive one because it could be harmful, as Keith McCormick mentions in the pages from his "Great Bones" book that you posted 6 days ago in this thread.
At one point I thought of getting a Marodyne but balked at its price (among other concerns). I haven't thought of purchasing it since reading the vibration platform section in "Great Bones" back in January. Like Dr. McCormick, my views on the vibration platforms are still evolving. I look forward to reading the results from the VIBMOR randomized controlled trial, which I think might be published by spring 2024 (see https://trialsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13063-021-05911-4). I feel fortunate I am in good enough health to regularly do weight-bearing exercise and strength training.

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@vgkime

Again WOW! (first link) This sounds like NASA scrapped the Marodyne after results did not show efficacy... ! Am I reading that correctly? Please give feedback on my interpretation.
(Second link) Looks like NASA was using heavy loads exercise machines (ARED) in the space capsule itself and recommended astronauts use the machines several times a week during space flight. Also they looked a biphosonates. This is interesting as it looks like there was some funding from some of the pharmaceutical companies.
Heavy loading is what the Liftmor Study was all about - showing it can actually build bone in older postmenopausal women. Sounds like NASA came to the same conclusion.

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NASA scrapped the whole concept of Low Intensity Vibration by any machine, at least that's the way I read it. Clinton Rubin didn't file for a patent for it until 2014 and the trial was ended by NASA in 2008. I see nothing that leads me to think the Marodyne device was even invented to be tested for the NASA Vibe Trial. Today he is one of the lead researchers for the VIBMOR Trial on LIV going on in Australia now. That appears to me to be a major conflict of interest since 2 companies Clinton Rubin founded directly profit from the success of the trial - Marodyne LIV market it worldwide and COPA Healthcare distribute in the US. He is also employed by BTT Healthcare in Germany who manufacture it, as their chief scientific investigator.
All that being said I'm sure this is nothing new in the realm of clinical trials and the goal of marketers of devices and drugs worldwide.
My personal decision from my experience has been to stick to therapies and devices that are FDA approved. I sold my Marodyne device back to COPA Healthcare, the distributor of them, in 2022. It appeared to be a company of 2 people located in Davies Florida. I got a hand written check from them for $540.00.
My current regimen at 78 years is I take liquid Alendronate once a week and walk a lot. I have seen my DEXA numbers improve by 6% in my spine and remain the same in my hip.
Good luck to everyone on this feed dealing with bone health at whatever stage you're in.

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Thank you again for providing such concrete information on Marodyne. At least the cobwebs are cleared away about claims for developing Marodyne for NASA and the murky implication that NASA used or uses the Marodyne for their astronauts to build back bone after space shuttle flights. We now know that this is not the case. Still interested in what the VIBmoor trials will show.

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@tetris

It sounds like you want to get a whole body vibration platform that is less expensive than the Marodyne. Please do be careful if you purchase a less expensive one because it could be harmful, as Keith McCormick mentions in the pages from his "Great Bones" book that you posted 6 days ago in this thread.
At one point I thought of getting a Marodyne but balked at its price (among other concerns). I haven't thought of purchasing it since reading the vibration platform section in "Great Bones" back in January. Like Dr. McCormick, my views on the vibration platforms are still evolving. I look forward to reading the results from the VIBMOR randomized controlled trial, which I think might be published by spring 2024 (see https://trialsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13063-021-05911-4). I feel fortunate I am in good enough health to regularly do weight-bearing exercise and strength training.

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Thank you @tetris , will be looking forward to this trial also. I would love to see a positive outcome on the LIV's!

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@rola

Thank you @tetris , will be looking forward to this trial also. I would love to see a positive outcome on the LIV's!

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Hi all,

I just came across a discussion Dr. Doug Lucas has on Vibration therapy on YouTube. Here's the link:

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@tsc. Thank you Teri! I so appreciate you posting this. I think the world of Dr Lucas, watch his videos all the time. He's a great source for osteo information. This was quite positive and I'm happy to add anything that may help. My worst numbers are in the hip, so this may well be a great addition to exercise and diet. Watched the full video and feel much better abt purchasing a vib plate, even if for the fact of, better balance. 🥰 Again, tysm, Patty

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Hi @rola,
Before I saw Margaret Martin's podcast on Whole Body Vibration, I purchased a high intensity vibration plate exerciser. I used it for about nine months. I wound up giving it away after hearing Margaret Martin's warnings about its dangers. Dr. Lucas mentions that's the type for building muscle.
There are other discussions of Marodyne on Connect. You may be able to find the posts by searching Marodyne. Good luck!

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