Has anyone used the Marodyne device to stimulate bone growth?

Posted by maryeve @maryeve, Aug 21, 2023

You stand on it twice a day for 10 minutes. It gently vibrates and also helps with improving balance. The Marodyne is made in Germany and costs about $3,000. It has not been FDA approved but there are studies in progress.

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Could it be useful for anything else, muscles, balance, even if it doesn't help bones? I was one who let my panic and wishful thinking get the best of me.

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@lamay

Could it be useful for anything else, muscles, balance, even if it doesn't help bones? I was one who let my panic and wishful thinking get the best of me.

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Maybe it could be beneficial @lamay it has just not been proven thru studies.

This is a repeat of Dr Beck's interview. It should be available thru tomortow .
https://morebonehealth.byhealthmeans.com/expert/belinda-beck/
Comments on LIV are at approx. 27:26

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I listed to the "Dr. Beck interview" and she was tepid, at best, about any positive data/results from her study re efficacy of the Marodyne LIV. The jury seems to be out. Kind of disheartening. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of data to recommend it. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

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@ratu

I listed to the "Dr. Beck interview" and she was tepid, at best, about any positive data/results from her study re efficacy of the Marodyne LIV. The jury seems to be out. Kind of disheartening. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of data to recommend it. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

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I too listened to the interview and she clearly says the Marodyne did not improve bone. As an owner of a Marodyne I'm certainly disappointed but not surprised. The one year I used the Marodyne daily for up to 20 minutes total in 2 sessions a day I had my worst decline in my DXA scores. I was also doing heel drops 5 days a week and various other exercise. Anyway it certainly did not help me but I was still hoping it would help others. If not out of the kindness of my heart at least I would be able to sell the thing if the study results were good. I still want to read the study results when they publish but I have no hope it will validate the device.

As far as vibration plates go it is possible that other plates using different frequencies and length of motion etc could help bone but there appears to be considerable potential danger in increased vibration beyond what the Marodyne employed.

Of interest to me is that Dr Beck mentioned that they accidentally were not having the subjects do their usual 85% of one rep max for 5 reps per set. The result being that they did not get the bone density improvements they got in the 3 previous studies. So heavy intensity with weights works and medium did not. The remaining question would be what if you increased the repetitions with those medium weights. That is if you increased the repetitions to the point that you felt like it was taking as much effort as the heavier weights at lower reps. Would that extra exertion perhaps bring back the bone growth even with using less weight? I would like to know the answer to that as it's really scary to lift heavy with my -4 spinal T score.

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@awfultruth

I too listened to the interview and she clearly says the Marodyne did not improve bone. As an owner of a Marodyne I'm certainly disappointed but not surprised. The one year I used the Marodyne daily for up to 20 minutes total in 2 sessions a day I had my worst decline in my DXA scores. I was also doing heel drops 5 days a week and various other exercise. Anyway it certainly did not help me but I was still hoping it would help others. If not out of the kindness of my heart at least I would be able to sell the thing if the study results were good. I still want to read the study results when they publish but I have no hope it will validate the device.

As far as vibration plates go it is possible that other plates using different frequencies and length of motion etc could help bone but there appears to be considerable potential danger in increased vibration beyond what the Marodyne employed.

Of interest to me is that Dr Beck mentioned that they accidentally were not having the subjects do their usual 85% of one rep max for 5 reps per set. The result being that they did not get the bone density improvements they got in the 3 previous studies. So heavy intensity with weights works and medium did not. The remaining question would be what if you increased the repetitions with those medium weights. That is if you increased the repetitions to the point that you felt like it was taking as much effort as the heavier weights at lower reps. Would that extra exertion perhaps bring back the bone growth even with using less weight? I would like to know the answer to that as it's really scary to lift heavy with my -4 spinal T score.

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My lumbar t-score on my 1st DEXA in 2019 at age 50.5 was -3.9. I asked doctors what exercises are safe to do but they have no clue. In January 2022, I joined a gym and I’ve been going ever since. I try to be as careful as possible (bend at the hips not at the waist) and have slowly increased the weights I use. I can now leg press 415 lbs—I’m 4’11” and weigh 108 lbs. On the back extension machine I’m up to 132.5 lbs.

Note, I don’t have any fragility fractures and I really question my DEXA results—I’ve read they can be wrong for smaller people but who knows.

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I have your VT007 and am very happy with your company from start to finish! It's a solid plate and quite affordable.

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I had been led to believe the marodyne was used by astronauts to combat loss of bone density while in zero gravity? It is considered a registered medical device in Canada -

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@fearfracture

My lumbar t-score on my 1st DEXA in 2019 at age 50.5 was -3.9. I asked doctors what exercises are safe to do but they have no clue. In January 2022, I joined a gym and I’ve been going ever since. I try to be as careful as possible (bend at the hips not at the waist) and have slowly increased the weights I use. I can now leg press 415 lbs—I’m 4’11” and weigh 108 lbs. On the back extension machine I’m up to 132.5 lbs.

Note, I don’t have any fragility fractures and I really question my DEXA results—I’ve read they can be wrong for smaller people but who knows.

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I have to agree about the Dexa results. I know they try to line you up on the machine as much as they can but how possible is that. My recent dexa of the femur neck left went from 2.8 to 3.2. I'm sorry to say I don't have a lot of faith in the Dexa's.

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I'm sorry you experienced that. It's just not fair...

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@jenniferhope58

I had been led to believe the marodyne was used by astronauts to combat loss of bone density while in zero gravity? It is considered a registered medical device in Canada -

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@jenniferhope58,

My understanding is it was NEVER used by NASA. Dr Rubin has never proved with trials the efficacy of Marodyne, to-date. Yet in the most recent VIBMORE clinical trial, of which he was a party to,
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8734256/) LIV failed to prove efficacy. I wish it weren't so myself and there is just no easy fix. I use a plate as an adjunct to diet & exercise while contemplating the route of Rx.

Imo, Marodyne commands a very high price based on faith. While stmts out there such as "LIV" is "clinically proven" to work... are sadly misleading & false. More work needs to be done to be fair to all of us searching for answers!!!

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