Fibromyalgia - Did I get Myofascial Release? Confused

Posted by Sundance(RB) @sundance6, Jan 15 10:05am

Fibromyalgia – Myofascial

I heard about Myofascial on here! People said how much it helped them. I went for my first “Release Treament” yesterday! I’m not sure if that’s what I got?
The person had told me that she was trained in it and she was farmiliar also with Lyme Disease when I talked to her.
I had sent her information about me and my illness over the last several years. I had mentioned I had a bathroom flooded a few years ago. She made the immediate diagnoses that I had Mold Toxixty!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! WOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER MY FIBROMYALGIA/LYME SYMPTOMS!
She got me on the table and started working my front.
When she was working on my back she uses sucktion cup all over my back.
I’ve had body work done on me for 60 years. HAd never had the suckion cup done before.
She got done and hurried me out of her office!
Can anyone related to me when they had Myofasical Realese done to them what the person did with your body.
I walked away very confused.
Can someone please give me some inforamtion!
Sundance(RB)

@sundance6 I have no experience with this type of treatment, so cannot help you. However, I am including @artscaping and @jenniferhunter here, who I belive may be able to answer your questions.

From healthline, here is a definition of this process: https://www.healthline.com/health/chronic-pain/myofascial-release
Hope this helps somewhat.
Hoping you find what will work for you. Do you feel any relief afterwards?
Ginger

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@sundance6 What you experienced is cupping which is a way to stretch the fascia and it is like grabbing your skin and pulling. That doesn't stretch the fascia in a way to activate the fascial net in the entire body. A person who is trained in the John Barnes methods (the guy who invented this) will have certifications like "expert level" and you can look up a lot of practitioners on his website that lists their credentials. myofascialrelease.com The provider search is here. https://myofascialrelease.com/find-a-therapist/ People might be using the terminology, but not really doing the proper procedure.

The right way to do it is the therapist sinks in with their hands and pushes your skin different direction to feel where the resistance is. Often they first push and hold it the direction with easier movement to get things moving, and then shift and change direction. It is like kneading bread dough in extreme slow motion where you push against the barrier to create a shearing motion. You just hold that and wait and adjust as you go and the fascia starts to slide and release. A good PT can feel the restrictions with their hands and understand where that connects in your body. If they can't do that, they are guessing. MFR done correctly gives great results. It has helped me a lot, and my PT is expert level John Barnes trained.

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@gingerw

@sundance6 I have no experience with this type of treatment, so cannot help you. However, I am including @artscaping and @jenniferhunter here, who I belive may be able to answer your questions.

From healthline, here is a definition of this process: https://www.healthline.com/health/chronic-pain/myofascial-release
Hope this helps somewhat.
Hoping you find what will work for you. Do you feel any relief afterwards?
Ginger

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Ginger, Thank you for the information and the web site! That is NOT how it was done to me!
Really upsets me!
Sundance(RB)

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@jenniferhunter

@sundance6 What you experienced is cupping which is a way to stretch the fascia and it is like grabbing your skin and pulling. That doesn't stretch the fascia in a way to activate the fascial net in the entire body. A person who is trained in the John Barnes methods (the guy who invented this) will have certifications like "expert level" and you can look up a lot of practitioners on his website that lists their credentials. myofascialrelease.com The provider search is here. https://myofascialrelease.com/find-a-therapist/ People might be using the terminology, but not really doing the proper procedure.

The right way to do it is the therapist sinks in with their hands and pushes your skin different direction to feel where the resistance is. Often they first push and hold it the direction with easier movement to get things moving, and then shift and change direction. It is like kneading bread dough in extreme slow motion where you push against the barrier to create a shearing motion. You just hold that and wait and adjust as you go and the fascia starts to slide and release. A good PT can feel the restrictions with their hands and understand where that connects in your body. If they can't do that, they are guessing. MFR done correctly gives great results. It has helped me a lot, and my PT is expert level John Barnes trained.

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Thanks Jennifer! I got scammed! It's not what I needed this week! She is not listed! I'm really getting tired of this whole life! Nobody cares for anyone else! Just Scam them and take their $$$ and say you've done what they've asked for! Why can't people be honest anymore! I think I mentioned that she kept saying I was suffering from Mold Toxixty! Would not even consider either Fibromyalgia or Lyme!
My shoulders are hurting and I am out $110. The money dosen't matter! I was just looking for help!
My mother used to say when I had a problem in life like loosing a girl friend, "Buck up Son the Sun will rise in the morning and it will be a New day!"
Thanks,
Sundance(RB)

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@jenniferhunter

@sundance6 What you experienced is cupping which is a way to stretch the fascia and it is like grabbing your skin and pulling. That doesn't stretch the fascia in a way to activate the fascial net in the entire body. A person who is trained in the John Barnes methods (the guy who invented this) will have certifications like "expert level" and you can look up a lot of practitioners on his website that lists their credentials. myofascialrelease.com The provider search is here. https://myofascialrelease.com/find-a-therapist/ People might be using the terminology, but not really doing the proper procedure.

The right way to do it is the therapist sinks in with their hands and pushes your skin different direction to feel where the resistance is. Often they first push and hold it the direction with easier movement to get things moving, and then shift and change direction. It is like kneading bread dough in extreme slow motion where you push against the barrier to create a shearing motion. You just hold that and wait and adjust as you go and the fascia starts to slide and release. A good PT can feel the restrictions with their hands and understand where that connects in your body. If they can't do that, they are guessing. MFR done correctly gives great results. It has helped me a lot, and my PT is expert level John Barnes trained.

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Jennifer, FYI she was not listed on his site!
Sundance(RB)

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@sundance6

Thanks Jennifer! I got scammed! It's not what I needed this week! She is not listed! I'm really getting tired of this whole life! Nobody cares for anyone else! Just Scam them and take their $$$ and say you've done what they've asked for! Why can't people be honest anymore! I think I mentioned that she kept saying I was suffering from Mold Toxixty! Would not even consider either Fibromyalgia or Lyme!
My shoulders are hurting and I am out $110. The money dosen't matter! I was just looking for help!
My mother used to say when I had a problem in life like loosing a girl friend, "Buck up Son the Sun will rise in the morning and it will be a New day!"
Thanks,
Sundance(RB)

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Hi, @sundance6 it is ok to be sore, actually it is to be expected. The therapist should've told you that. Drink a lot of water, take a hot bath/shower, and get some rest. You should feel better tomorrow or the next. However just a heads up, MFR is not for everyone, patients with fibromyalgia do better with lighttouch techniques/bodywork. Fibromyalgia is always signaling the brain pain- therefore deep work/MFR isn't always recommended due to the pressure intensity. Craniosacral is a great choice of therapy. Hope this helps.

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fracturedd, Thanks for the info.! One issue was I told her not to dig into my neck and shoulders! I've had body work done for 60 years! But she did it anyway!
still sore in my shoulders.
I'm going to take and Epson salt bath! Since there are no Barnes Certified Therapist in my immediate area its a bummer! I do have the lady who does my Silver Sneakers class on line, has a lady she recomends so that's who I'm going to try next. My instructor says the lady know how to do MFR. I'm a little more aware of what I should expect!
Have a Great Weekend wherever you are! We have a warming trend coming through ABQ today and tomorrow, 50 degrees, then back in the 30's Tuesday amnd maybe snow!
Sundance(RB)

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@sundance6 60 years, that's great- so you know what works best for your body. I've been a practicing massage therapist for the past 18 years. 50 degrees, it will feel like summer!! Haha, I'm hibernating in Chicago. Hope you feel better soon.

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I was born in Van Nays Calf. we lived in Burbank! My dad hung around with local boxers. A trainer named, i believe, Dr. Treager taught him how to do the Trager Approach. It's where they hang your arm off of the table and let it work back and forth. You might want to look him up! I played lots of sports so my dad would work on my body. Just Googled it, it is the feeling of lightness and freedom of the joints and such! You might want to look it up. Very Bennifical!! As I grew up iI went to school, Northern Arizona University, in Flagstaff AZ. We were right up the hill from Sedona. Found a lady who did body work.
Then as I got older and started traveling on busiiness around the country and the world, after a long flight or end of a long week at the hotel or resort I was! Then somone gave me a gift certificate for a massage locally at he same time I found a lady who did Reiki Did the Reiki for a number of years, then in the meantime iIfound a lady to do my body work locally who along with a combination of differnt styles also did Trager and we started talking about it and then I traced him back to Burbank where my Dad hung out!. She did mine twice a month for 20 + years until she retired.
Been off an on for the last ten. I have gone to a couple people here locally and they've been ok. Problem has been they charge twice as much as Marj did when she retired.
With whatever I have Lyme Disease/ Fibromyalgia it has helped! Checked around and this person came recomended that I went to this week. As I said I gave her instructions as to how my body reacts. Oh Well! Live and Learn!
Just got done with a hot bath. Shoulder and neck still sore, which is better, heat or cold!
Where in Chicago do you live? Have a very old friend that has lived in Crystal Lake now for about 20 years. She grew up here in ABQ and her husband worked for Motorola for 40 years. He just died 6 month ago! SAD!
I use to love going to Chicago! You could be downtown and party all night without worring about being mugged! Unlike New York or Washington.
Is it the same or has it changed?
Wind has picked up here! But still the temp is 57 outside!
Like AZ who has " DRY HEAT" we have a "DRY COLD" Humidity is only 18% right now. 4:01 MDT.
Enjoy your weekend.
From, The Land of Enchantment!
Sundance(RB)

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Hi Sundance – I found my PT, who practices MFR but is not certified in it, through my pain doc and PCP. He also use osteopathic manipulation, the Treager approach, and traditional PT. I call his results magical. I visited one of his partners, also recommended, in his absence ONE time – she had her own ideas and didn't want to listen. To me, that's an absolute deal-breaker in any therapist, and I have had a ton of them over the past 30 years. What you need is to ask around – if you find the same person recommended by 2-3 people whose expertise you respect, that's where you start. Our chiropractor has (well, before covid he had) 3 very capable massage therapists – my husband likes 2 of them, I only like the third one – every one has different skills and techniques. I have found the same with acupuncture.
Good luck finding new help, and don't think of the $110 as wasted, think of it as money spent on research.
Sue

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@sundance6 My daughter had the myofascial release done after she was first diagnosed in her teens- not the kind you got. It is like deep massage around the painful areas. It did not help her, pain got worse, but it works for some people. I think the only treatment that helped her short term was lidocaine infusions.

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@sundance6

I was born in Van Nays Calf. we lived in Burbank! My dad hung around with local boxers. A trainer named, i believe, Dr. Treager taught him how to do the Trager Approach. It's where they hang your arm off of the table and let it work back and forth. You might want to look him up! I played lots of sports so my dad would work on my body. Just Googled it, it is the feeling of lightness and freedom of the joints and such! You might want to look it up. Very Bennifical!! As I grew up iI went to school, Northern Arizona University, in Flagstaff AZ. We were right up the hill from Sedona. Found a lady who did body work.
Then as I got older and started traveling on busiiness around the country and the world, after a long flight or end of a long week at the hotel or resort I was! Then somone gave me a gift certificate for a massage locally at he same time I found a lady who did Reiki Did the Reiki for a number of years, then in the meantime iIfound a lady to do my body work locally who along with a combination of differnt styles also did Trager and we started talking about it and then I traced him back to Burbank where my Dad hung out!. She did mine twice a month for 20 + years until she retired.
Been off an on for the last ten. I have gone to a couple people here locally and they've been ok. Problem has been they charge twice as much as Marj did when she retired.
With whatever I have Lyme Disease/ Fibromyalgia it has helped! Checked around and this person came recomended that I went to this week. As I said I gave her instructions as to how my body reacts. Oh Well! Live and Learn!
Just got done with a hot bath. Shoulder and neck still sore, which is better, heat or cold!
Where in Chicago do you live? Have a very old friend that has lived in Crystal Lake now for about 20 years. She grew up here in ABQ and her husband worked for Motorola for 40 years. He just died 6 month ago! SAD!
I use to love going to Chicago! You could be downtown and party all night without worring about being mugged! Unlike New York or Washington.
Is it the same or has it changed?
Wind has picked up here! But still the temp is 57 outside!
Like AZ who has " DRY HEAT" we have a "DRY COLD" Humidity is only 18% right now. 4:01 MDT.
Enjoy your weekend.
From, The Land of Enchantment!
Sundance(RB)

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@sundance6 Oh how interesting! I went to college in San Diego, I miss that weather. Yes, I've taken CEU's on the Trager Approach, the instructor was fascinating- he was truly gifted. I also practice many different holistic modalities. It's hard to replace a therapist of 20 years! I've seen many of my patients for 18 plus years and it is a unique trust that develops, I'm sure you know what I mean. So it will take trial and error, but you will find the right therapist again. I had to put my practice on hold since 3-13-2020. I miss all of my clients, but I chose to close temporarily due to the pandemic. I'm hopeful to start again one of these days…
I live on the northwest side of Chicago. Downtown is still fun and relatively safe, lol. You don't want to walk down a dark alley alone,,,but where can you do that? And of course we have the best food here!
Take care and I hope this next therapist is everything you hope for ­čÖé

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