Eliquis and AFIB

Posted by lenmayo @lenmayo, Apr 18, 2024

Does anyone who has occasional AFIB not take Eliquis?

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Judy3276 And so your point is?

I read the posts here day after day by people most of which have jumped from med to med and treatment to treatment, many or most are frustrated because the problem has not been eliminated which is the reason they are posting. I personally had severe afib from age 14 to 21, with my heart jumping around like a ping pong ball and other scary symptoms for minutes, hours, or overnight. If I had those symptoms at my age, I probably would be history.

I discovered that eliminating caffeine, eliminated the problem, including nervous symptoms. Also, consume a lot less sugar, animal products and rarely any processed food. I am now 77 and walk up and down steep hills every day to town.

Those posters who have done all that I have done and still have problems, can keep scrolling and search for answers. I believe that most health problems blamed on genetics, are actually bad habits learned from parents and ancestors.

I do not apologize for my strong opinions based on my experiences, because I have alleviated many health problems unrelated to heart over the years, as meds etc. caused me more problems than the original. If I help a few people along the way, it is a wonderful thing. I take NO meds and have a list of 34 people that I knew, most 10 to 20 yrs younger than me who died of preventable diseases.

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Profile picture for lindy9 @lindy9

a healthy diet can be used to prevent a stroke. People consuming a low meat or animal diet, little or no cheese usually do not have high blood pressure. I am 77.

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@lindy9 "The risk lies at the rate of a whopping 90% from poorly flushed blood in the small pouch at the extreme left of the left atrium known as the 'left atrial appendage'. Pooling blood in the LAA happens when the atrium is fluttering or fibrillating. When a patient is in the paroxysmal and persistent and long-standing-persistent stages, not to mention if their AF is 'permanent', clots can form there soon after the arrhythmia commences, and they can be dislodged at any time, either when the heart resumes normal sinus rhythm (NSR) or just on happenstance. Those clots will then travel to the brain, the lungs, or to the heart's own blood vessels where they can lodge and cause tissue death. Believe me, you do not want a heart attack, clots in your lungs, or a stroke because of a clot in your brain." Info from another poster.

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@altabiznet Mobility has little or nothing to do with the risk of clots during episodes of AF. The risk lies at the rate of a whopping 90% from poorly flushed blood in the small pouch at the extreme left of the left atrium known as the 'left atrial appendage'. Pooling blood in the LAA happens when the atrium is fluttering or fibrillating. When a patient is in the paroxysmal and persistent and long-standing-persistent stages, not to mention if their AF is 'permanent', clots can form there soon after the arrhythmia commences, and they can be dislodged at any time, either when the heart resumes normal sinus rhythm (NSR) or just on happenstance. Those clots will then travel to the brain, the lungs, or to the heart's own blood vessels where they can lodge and cause tissue death. Believe me, you do not want a heart attack, clots in your lungs, or a stroke because of a clot in your brain.

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@gloaming Sharing with another poster. Thank you so much

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@afiber I have been on Eliquis for 5 years. No problems.

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@bradsnanny was on Eliquis 1 day and had MAJOR adverse reactions to it. After 1 week I took my self off it.

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@gloaming

Just to clarify, mobility has to do with general risk for stroke, regardless of AFibs.
People with lower mobility are at higher risk for clotting. Presence of AFibs is adding to that risk.
AFibs usually require blood thinners. But based on my experience, those are not always prescribed. In any case, it is better to consult with your doctor.

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@altabiznet I see what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying. The DOACs are anti-coagulants and reduce the risk of stroke from AF (usually when it persists about 48 hours is when they begin to administer/prescribe a DOAC....direct-acting oral anti-coagulant) from about 5-6% down to less than 3%. Certainly a sedentary person, or one with very limited mobility who must remain in one position for periods longer than an hour or more, would benefit from the same risk reduction and by using the same prescription.

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Profile picture for windyshores @windyshores

I don't take any blood thinners at all.

Starting in 2015 I have had afib with very rapid heart rate, once a year, or even had a two year interval. This past year I had one episode in late August 2023, two in early October, and I just had one two nights ago, 4/16, with heart rate peaking around 200.

I am meeting with a new cardiologist at a teaching hospital and am going to ask about the "pill in a pocket" approach meaning short term anticoagulation. Some say a month, some say less time. And there is a lot of difference of opinion on how long it takes to form a clot.

When one of my episodes lasted 7 hours (usually they are 45 minutes to 2 1/2 hours) the hospital did an echocardiogram to check for clots.

A cardiologist pressured me to take a blood thinner back in 2015 and I declined. He later told he he agreed (much later) and that they were "probably" overmedicating people. Then again, my mother had continuous afib and had a stroke when off Coumadin for 5 days.

How often do you have afib?

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@windyshores
I am new here. Admitted with shortness of breath- hemoglobin in 70's. Every 'oscopy' done- I am a leaker- told me I had A Fib which I knew before but nothing ever suggested. Camera thru the whole tract and nothing. They tell me I need thinners (Ipixaban). This drug is noted for causing bleeing -so go figure why they would want me on it- I came in wit a breathing problem
I have taken Nattokinasse and Serrapeptase for years- will they continue to do the trick?

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I've had fibromyalgia since 1989. Have been taking cyclobenzaprine and it still works (except for those times I tell myself 'I'm cured' and stop. Then all the symptoms come back in full force. ) Now I've been diagnosed with AFib and prescribed Eliquis 5 mg bid.
Frankly, I'm afraid of this stuff. But I don't want a stroke and I don't want to take Eliquis and I can't have the best of both worlds. I've been a vegan 98% of my life (fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables), exercise everyday, even when my legs were broke (I could always do pilates), walk 3-5 miles a day. But I don't drink enough water. Very important. You have to drink lots of water.
I guess I'm just venting. The holistic treatment is more my speed, but even they say to combine holistic with traditional medicine. My aim is to start Eliquis tomorrow. And to get thru my anxiety. I'll let you know how it goes. It really helps to have this community. God bless you all.

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@afiber I have been on Eliquis for 5 years. No problems.

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@altabiznet Mobility has little or nothing to do with the risk of clots during episodes of AF. The risk lies at the rate of a whopping 90% from poorly flushed blood in the small pouch at the extreme left of the left atrium known as the 'left atrial appendage'. Pooling blood in the LAA happens when the atrium is fluttering or fibrillating. When a patient is in the paroxysmal and persistent and long-standing-persistent stages, not to mention if their AF is 'permanent', clots can form there soon after the arrhythmia commences, and they can be dislodged at any time, either when the heart resumes normal sinus rhythm (NSR) or just on happenstance. Those clots will then travel to the brain, the lungs, or to the heart's own blood vessels where they can lodge and cause tissue death. Believe me, you do not want a heart attack, clots in your lungs, or a stroke because of a clot in your brain.

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@gloaming

Just to clarify, mobility has to do with general risk for stroke, regardless of AFibs.
People with lower mobility are at higher risk for clotting. Presence of AFibs is adding to that risk.
AFibs usually require blood thinners. But based on my experience, those are not always prescribed. In any case, it is better to consult with your doctor.

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Profile picture for Alta Net @altabiznet

To answer original question, if Eliquis is required with occasional AFibs. I had occasional AFibs detected on Holter, once every 2-3 weeks, and my first cardiologist did not prescribe Eliquis. Then another cardiologist prescribed 2.5 mg Eliquis twice a day, for the same frequency of AFibs, when I had low mobility. Looks like taking Eliquis with low frequency AFibs may be optional. People with better physical mobility are at lower risk for stroke and may not need Eliquis with occasional AFibs. But listen to your doctor, as there may be other factors.

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@altabiznet Mobility has little or nothing to do with the risk of clots during episodes of AF. The risk lies at the rate of a whopping 90% from poorly flushed blood in the small pouch at the extreme left of the left atrium known as the 'left atrial appendage'. Pooling blood in the LAA happens when the atrium is fluttering or fibrillating. When a patient is in the paroxysmal and persistent and long-standing-persistent stages, not to mention if their AF is 'permanent', clots can form there soon after the arrhythmia commences, and they can be dislodged at any time, either when the heart resumes normal sinus rhythm (NSR) or just on happenstance. Those clots will then travel to the brain, the lungs, or to the heart's own blood vessels where they can lodge and cause tissue death. Believe me, you do not want a heart attack, clots in your lungs, or a stroke because of a clot in your brain.

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To answer original question, if Eliquis is required with occasional AFibs. I had occasional AFibs detected on Holter, once every 2-3 weeks, and my first cardiologist did not prescribe Eliquis. Then another cardiologist prescribed 2.5 mg Eliquis twice a day, for the same frequency of AFibs, when I had low mobility. Looks like taking Eliquis with low frequency AFibs may be optional. People with better physical mobility are at lower risk for stroke and may not need Eliquis with occasional AFibs. But listen to your doctor, as there may be other factors.

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