Diet woes with Type 2 Diabetes. Too many conflicting diets.

Posted by denny2019 @denny2019, Oct 30, 2019

Do i follow keto? There is just too many fad type of diets. I would like advice on what to eat. I have type 2 with a 6.7 a1c. About 165 lbs. Exercise 15 minutes walking/jogging 5 times a week. Trying to get it to 30 minutes. BTW i take 1000mg metformin 2x day and a shot of Trulicity once a week. Thanks in advance.
Dennis

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I agree Deanna 02.

Debby

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@darby01

Just to add a little additional information regarding the commentary about diet and diabetes—-

Dr Neal Barnard is an MD and has been/may still be an Adjunct Professor at George Washington University among other notable achievements.

Cyrus Khambatta holds a PhD in Nutritional Biochemistry.

It is my understanding that Type I diabetes is irreversible and may only be controlled, as the pancreas does not produce insulin; there is an absence of functional Beta cells.

Type ll diabetes, on the other hand, may not only be controlled but also potentially be reversed or reduced to a state of “remission”(there is a great debate about the definition of “state of remission”). There is insulin resistance as the Beta cells do not function properly. Weight loss can often contribute to better glucose control and improve insulin resistance. Achieving and maintaining a healthy weight is important in all types of diabetes.

Type ll diabetes is often referred to as “late onset”, although the incidence of Type II in young people has been increasing in numbers.

Type I diabetes generally occurs early in life and is often referred to as “Juvenile Diabetes “. There are, however, relatively rare instances when Type I occurs later in life. Type lll is an additional, recently-recognized, by some experts, type of diabetes.

Research has shown that a plant-based approach to nutritional is generally beneficial to overall health and can be helpful to those who experience diabetes in any form.

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Thank you for clearing up the very impressive credentials authors. My intention was certainly not to insult them.
You are right forgive me I had my types of I and II mixed up.
Type II "potentially reversed".

Thank you so much for noting this.

Debby

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@somde

Hi Seapen

I am really glad this diet is working for you and your sugars are under control.
But, nothing can reverse diabetes. The only instance I have seen it in type 1 is if you have late onset diabetes caused by too much weight gain and an unhealthy diet, if one loses weight and eat a proper diet, I have seen the type 1 diabetes reverse but type 2 cannot be reversed only controlled with proper diet and exercise which may help with lowering a insulin dose. Although the books are written by people with many professional degrees. Dr. Barnard is a doctor but what kind of doctor? The other two do not qualify as doctors. I am sure they have provided you with good sound information but, Type 2 diabetes cannot be reversed but controlled and Type 1 only in certain conditions. You may want to research other information on diabetes. I hope this helps and I respect you for doing the diet which has helped control your blood sugars. Bravo!
At our hospital the dietitian gives our diabetic clients a regular diet with a smaller portion of food, low carbs deserts, but a small treat once in awhile.
No sugar free pop allowed or juices saturated with different types of sugars which can easily fool you.
Keep up the good work!

D. Somde, RN

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Somde - So sorry I have my types of diabetes mixed up. Please read darby01 comments Type I should read Type II and Type II should read Type I. Brain flip!

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@somde

Thank you for clearing up the very impressive credentials authors. My intention was certainly not to insult them.
You are right forgive me I had my types of I and II mixed up.
Type II "potentially reversed".

Thank you so much for noting this.

Debby

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Thanks for your acknowledgment; it was nice of you
to respond. I’m glad that my commentary was of value.

Best Regards

darby01

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@somde

Hi Seapen

I am really glad this diet is working for you and your sugars are under control.
But, nothing can reverse diabetes. The only instance I have seen it in type 1 is if you have late onset diabetes caused by too much weight gain and an unhealthy diet, if one loses weight and eat a proper diet, I have seen the type 1 diabetes reverse but type 2 cannot be reversed only controlled with proper diet and exercise which may help with lowering a insulin dose. Although the books are written by people with many professional degrees. Dr. Barnard is a doctor but what kind of doctor? The other two do not qualify as doctors. I am sure they have provided you with good sound information but, Type 2 diabetes cannot be reversed but controlled and Type 1 only in certain conditions. You may want to research other information on diabetes. I hope this helps and I respect you for doing the diet which has helped control your blood sugars. Bravo!
At our hospital the dietitian gives our diabetic clients a regular diet with a smaller portion of food, low carbs deserts, but a small treat once in awhile.
No sugar free pop allowed or juices saturated with different types of sugars which can easily fool you.
Keep up the good work!

D. Somde, RN

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Concentrate on the good things that you can replace a high carbs and high fats with fruits vegetables that you like watermelon avocados blueberries there's all kinds of things you can do with them to make them taste good low fat cottage cheese water that drink a lot of water you'll get to where you like it especially in the summer time and the deep fried foods and the all the fast foods you get to the point where you don't even want them anymore some things you'll still pray and because of the diabetes my wife had type 2 diabetes and she was on all kinds of diabetic medicine hers went away somehow she she got on strict diet that it went away the doctors won't even give her test strips anymore so I don't know if she hers is for everyone she is way under six I think a 5.7 now so I don't know when people say that it can't be reversed or stopped I don't believe that because of she eats ice cream shoots anything she wants anymore and she doesn't have diabetes Associated any problems from it is it like I said the doctors won't even give her test strips anymore

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@cgs

Concentrate on the good things that you can replace a high carbs and high fats with fruits vegetables that you like watermelon avocados blueberries there's all kinds of things you can do with them to make them taste good low fat cottage cheese water that drink a lot of water you'll get to where you like it especially in the summer time and the deep fried foods and the all the fast foods you get to the point where you don't even want them anymore some things you'll still pray and because of the diabetes my wife had type 2 diabetes and she was on all kinds of diabetic medicine hers went away somehow she she got on strict diet that it went away the doctors won't even give her test strips anymore so I don't know if she hers is for everyone she is way under six I think a 5.7 now so I don't know when people say that it can't be reversed or stopped I don't believe that because of she eats ice cream shoots anything she wants anymore and she doesn't have diabetes Associated any problems from it is it like I said the doctors won't even give her test strips anymore

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I believe she is controlling her blood sugars with her really great diet I do think her high blood sugars would come back if she does not remain on the diet. I believe she may have reversed her blood surgars to normal. Bravo!

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@darby01

Thanks for your acknowledgment; it was nice of you
to respond. I’m glad that my commentary was of value.

Best Regards

darby01

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Thank you and it was of great value.

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Ozempic was prescribed for my husband's Type 2 diabetes and obesity. He has no dieting willpower. He's 6'2 and previously weighed 255, today, 8 months later he's weighing 220, his A1c is normal. He looks amazing!!! He didn't diet, this drug alters your appetite, he eats the same foods, but feels full eating less than half the amount. Before Ozempic he took a total of 2000 mg of Metformin daily, that was discontinued three months ago, he doesn't need it anymore. He had mild high blood pressure and took 100mg of Metoprolol daily, now it's cut in half taking 50mg daily and his blood pressure is always in the normal range.
What's the drawback? - the expense. Even with our Medicare pharmaceutical plan it costs $500.00 every 3 months.

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@somde

I believe she is controlling her blood sugars with her really great diet I do think her high blood sugars would come back if she does not remain on the diet. I believe she may have reversed her blood surgars to normal. Bravo!

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My journey with T2D is a bit different from many others. When I was diagnosed about 6 years ago, I made a few changes. I have never smoked, rarely drink and I was already very active (daily dance and/or dance aerobic classes). I kept the same diet but cut portion sizes, and I got standing desks both at home and at the office. I eat a basically high-carb diet with complex carbs (whole grain breads, cereals, non-white rice), whole fat dairy (I don't like low or non-fat), some beans, various nuts, and the occasional sweet. I do not eat meat, fish or vegetables (except potatoes), as I find these disgusting on so many levels. After losing about 40 pounds, I was able to let go of ALL of the diabetes meds I had been prescribed. I have gone back to my previous portion sizes without gaining weight and my AIC is now always within normal range.

Call it what you will - remission, managed, cured, whatever. I just know that simply by making the changes listed above, my blood sugar stays within normal limits (as intermittently measured by a CGM), and that is while eating basically what I want and like. I am almost 70 and can hold my own with dancers many decades younger. I doubt I would have the same stamina and definitely not the same enjoyment of life if I were trying to subsist on a low-carb, low-fat diet of weeds and soy milk.

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Your comments are really great. I never spoke to anyone like me who hated all vegetables, except potatoes. lol I substitute for them. I enjoyed reading you comments. I am no expert except for my own family's history of diabetes and being a nurse. I love that there are so many varied opinions, it is a learning experience. Take care!

Debby

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