Dental work while taking Tymlos?

Posted by shocknot26 @shocknot26, May 22 10:07am

Is there risk with the anabolic medications like there is with the biophosphonates (of ONJ or other issues) when getting dental work? I need to start Tymlos, and am being told conflicting answers. Does anyone have personal experience with this? I have actually seen some studies that being on Tymlos during a procedure can actually help the jaw bone (which might make sense bc isn’t it supposed to help grow bone?). Such confusing information out there. Yes, I am asking all my doctors and dentists too;) Thanks!

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@ipg yes. This is the worst pain I have ever endured. It is maddening. The worst part is how LONG it takes. Complete life stopping injury. I never want another and plan to do whatever it takes not to.

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Just asking how you are feeling and how you are moving forward? Get well

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Added risk from Tori would only exist if you decided to have them
removed.The risk of MRONJ from bisphosphonates is not high and happens more
in individuals taking bisphosphonates to protect against cancer metastasis
to the bone. And in individuals who have taken the risk medications for a
long time.
I'm on extended Forteo because I like the way it works and because I don't
like the way other medications work. We lose bone because the cells that
breakdown bone have proliferated more than the cells that build bone. The
two mechanisms work together to keep our bones strong for the specific
activities we engage in and to replace bone that has weakened or fissured.
It is a constant process replacing all of our cortical bone over about ten
years, and all of our trabecular bone over two to three years.
Bisphosphonates stop the cells that break down bone from attaching to the
bone that needs to be replaced. In doing so they prevent cells that
remodel the bone from building it back up.
The pth medications, Forteo and Tymlos, increase the cells that build bone
and the cells that break down bone.
I'd rather have the newer, stronger, more vascular bone given the choice.
I watch my bone markers to ascertain that there is a balance between P1NP--
indicating growth, and CTX-- indicating breakdown.
I'm trusting those bone markers, and could be mistaken.
If the balance shifts, I might take a month or two of one of the weaker
bisphosphonates and return to Forteo.
Tymlos may be the stronger medication. I wouldn't object to a year of
Tymlos.
What to do can be difficult to decide. It was easy for me after a lot of
pubmed.
Some of us have too many side effects with Forteo or any of the medications.
Bless your choice.

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Do you have any info as to how long BMD from Forteo or Tymlos could last if you are given Evista following that? Are we just hoping to buy time? Maybe. Thanks

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75 July first. Teriparatide (Forteo) is a 20mg dose. I haven't any side effects with Forteo. Well, I have noticed longer fingernails. You just have to clip them more often.
I have high CAC scores so am wary of calcium. And never let teriparatide fill my blood with calcium without taking magnesium orotate and K2 two hours before.
I don't think we ever get down to a -1 T score. I think he didn't want to offend me saying, until you "die."
Honestly, I'd take any of these medications (even Prolia) to prevent fracture, if there wasn't Forteo.
The weight gain is seen at the belly I've heard as much as 20lbs but usually around 5lbs.
Where do you think the anxiety originates.
You are very welcome.

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It was reported on the site that you can stay on Tymlos or Forteo long term? If you go beyond the original 2 year study doesn’t that mean that you would reach the black box warning for which they did the original study and indicated that a certain amount above the rec dosage caused bone cancer? Please advise

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bitchy, you might consider Forteo for the jawbone alone.
Prescribing norms for for Forteo are changing. In two years you may be able to extend use of the medication. I'm on my fourth year of Forteo and and will never need to take Reclast. Some are taking a short course of a milder bisphosphonate (like risidronate) and returning to Forteo.
Bless your choice. You sound happy with it.

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You are extremely knowledgeable. Now that you are on the 4th year of Forteo, what will you do long term? Does this mean that we will be on this forever? I have a risk of MRONJ and given my medical hx even concerned about Evista. Your thoughts? Good Luck

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@shocknot26
Just asking how you are feeling and how you are moving forward? Get well

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@ipg it’s kind of you to ask. Each day is a bit better and I find I am able to do more, as long as I continue to take breaks. Heat really helps me. I have a follow up X-ray in July. Fingers crossed for good news then! Hope you are doing well.

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Hope you continue to improve. No more heavy lifting. What course of treatment will you choose??

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@ipg it’s kind of you to ask. Each day is a bit better and I find I am able to do more, as long as I continue to take breaks. Heat really helps me. I have a follow up X-ray in July. Fingers crossed for good news then! Hope you are doing well.

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Hope you continue to improve. No more heavy lifting. What course of treatment will you choose??

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ipg, if you stop cells from replicating they don't have the chance misfold to become cancerous. So, theoretically increasing bone building could have increased random cancer risk, to honor your point.
The black box for cancer of the bone with Tymlos and Forteo , though, was based on the rats used in the preclinical. These poor Fisker rats were found to get cancer even without parathyroid supplement. They were given the drug in multiples of the amounts given to humans.
The black box was imposed because of the flaw in their genetics, but was lifted because 20+ years of two years of use didn't cause cancer in humans. It wasn't lifted because of any study on extended use.
As normahorn reminds us, real world trials pretty firmly eliminate those whom the black box would exclude.
Your questioning is good because we don't have anything on extended use.
The science we have on teriparatide doesn't indicate cumulative risk. The hormone doesn't collect in your body but works afresh with each injection depending on washout before the next injection.
I shouldn't advise as I may have a few blind spots, but I can tell you how I'm laying my bets.
My plan is to stay on Forteo. I think it is the best osteoporosis medication out there. And just luckily, it's without sided effects for me. Forteo isn't giving me great BMD, but I'm not looking for heavy bones. I'm watching bone markers. If they eventually indicate greater bone loss, I'll stop the medication for a month and then resume the injections. If that proves ineffective, I'll take risidronate for 1 to 3 months, all while watching bone markers. If I had to run the bases bisphosphonates, Evenity, Prolia, I would. But my intention is to always return to home base on Forteo.

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I took Tymlos and was told that, unlike bisphosphonates, it is not commonly associated with osteonecrosis of the jaw (ONJ), and some research suggests it may even support bone healing, but I still coordinated closely with my doctor and dentist before having dental work done.

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I took Tymlos and was told that the risk of osteonecrosis of the jaw (ONJ) is much lower than with bisphosphonates, and my dentist and doctor did not require me to stop treatment before routine dental work, though I still coordinated with both providers to be safe.

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