Climbing Stairs After TKR

Posted by babette @babette, Oct 28, 2018

I'm a little over 3 months out from my R TKR and have a great deal of pain going upstairs and can't even attempt going down. How long did it take you before you could use the stairs without the "step together step" method? What was most helpful in getting you to that point? Thanks in advance.

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@ellerbracke

JK... What I meant is I had arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus, moderate arthritis on tibia and under kneecap, and some torn cartilage inside knee. Was supposed to take care of pain until eventual TKR 5 to 10 years out. Did not resolve issue, though. Standard PT, some pain relief, but not nearly enough. 5 Supartz injections, voltaren gel, meloxicam, and finally cortisone injection that lasted all of 51 hours convinced me to bite the bullet and do the replacement (11 months after initial procedure). I got my timeline wrong in the earlier post. It’s now almost 7 weeks (not 9), and I’m already feeling better than I ever did with the first surgery. Nothing to do with scar tissue, though.

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@ellerbracke I had meniscus surgery on both knees prior to having TKRs. I read recently that they are not sure that they do much good though, and although they did give me some temporary relief, they did not forestall the TKRs.
Happy that you are feeling better, that's a reasonable amount of time. I am sure it will continue to get better, and make sure you stick with your PT at home.
JK

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@contentandwell

@ellerbracke I had meniscus surgery on both knees prior to having TKRs. I read recently that they are not sure that they do much good though, and although they did give me some temporary relief, they did not forestall the TKRs.
Happy that you are feeling better, that's a reasonable amount of time. I am sure it will continue to get better, and make sure you stick with your PT at home.
JK

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I decided to have a TKR for two reasons. Long walks were painful and going downstairs was painful. I am 12 weeks out. Going downstairs is stil painful but now going upstairs is more painful than going down, and it didn’t hurt at all pre TKR. As for longer walks, they cause days of no sleep pain. I am hoping this will resolve. On the bright side trotting on my horse doesn’t seem to bother my knee but then it didn’t before the TKR. I haven’t tried cantering yet and I was starting to get a little knee pain in one direction at the Canter.
I am hoping this will resolve but actually going upstairs seems to be getting worse not better, I had excellent physical therapy and can bend my knee almost entirely, though kneeling ion the knee is nor possible because the knee itself hurts too much. I was hoping to do this in a month to garden.... seems unlikely.

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@jeannieww

I decided to have a TKR for two reasons. Long walks were painful and going downstairs was painful. I am 12 weeks out. Going downstairs is stil painful but now going upstairs is more painful than going down, and it didn’t hurt at all pre TKR. As for longer walks, they cause days of no sleep pain. I am hoping this will resolve. On the bright side trotting on my horse doesn’t seem to bother my knee but then it didn’t before the TKR. I haven’t tried cantering yet and I was starting to get a little knee pain in one direction at the Canter.
I am hoping this will resolve but actually going upstairs seems to be getting worse not better, I had excellent physical therapy and can bend my knee almost entirely, though kneeling ion the knee is nor possible because the knee itself hurts too much. I was hoping to do this in a month to garden.... seems unlikely.

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Every month gets better. I was told by my PT to watch my form and keep walking up and downstairs to strengthen up muscles around knee. So don't avoid stair climbs and descents. It will get easier!

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@jeannieww

I decided to have a TKR for two reasons. Long walks were painful and going downstairs was painful. I am 12 weeks out. Going downstairs is stil painful but now going upstairs is more painful than going down, and it didn’t hurt at all pre TKR. As for longer walks, they cause days of no sleep pain. I am hoping this will resolve. On the bright side trotting on my horse doesn’t seem to bother my knee but then it didn’t before the TKR. I haven’t tried cantering yet and I was starting to get a little knee pain in one direction at the Canter.
I am hoping this will resolve but actually going upstairs seems to be getting worse not better, I had excellent physical therapy and can bend my knee almost entirely, though kneeling ion the knee is nor possible because the knee itself hurts too much. I was hoping to do this in a month to garden.... seems unlikely.

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@jeannieww I agree with @javajude. If you stick with it, it will get better. I really had a lot of trouble on long walks but that had actually gotten somewhat better before my TKR because I exercised it a lot. Now I can walk for a very long time. We were on vacation in October and I walked something like so much every day but one. It felt great to be able to do that.
As I said before, stairs took longer but now they are easy. I do not have quite the amount of flex I would like but I am ambivalent about having lysis to fix that. I think I can probably live with what I have. It's probably around 115 now. I am going to a different ortho tomorrow, for cortisone in my hips (bursitis), so I will ask her if she will measure it for me while I am there.
JK

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@jeannieww

I decided to have a TKR for two reasons. Long walks were painful and going downstairs was painful. I am 12 weeks out. Going downstairs is stil painful but now going upstairs is more painful than going down, and it didn’t hurt at all pre TKR. As for longer walks, they cause days of no sleep pain. I am hoping this will resolve. On the bright side trotting on my horse doesn’t seem to bother my knee but then it didn’t before the TKR. I haven’t tried cantering yet and I was starting to get a little knee pain in one direction at the Canter.
I am hoping this will resolve but actually going upstairs seems to be getting worse not better, I had excellent physical therapy and can bend my knee almost entirely, though kneeling ion the knee is nor possible because the knee itself hurts too much. I was hoping to do this in a month to garden.... seems unlikely.

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I can totally agree with you regarding the major problem with kneeling. I just bought my 3rd different set of knee pads, trying to find one that’s both soft and comfortable and not too cumbersome to wear and put on. As long as I keep my body weight on the tibia and don’t lean forward on the knee, I can manage some short stretches of kneeling without pads when pulling weeds. For cleaning bathroom floors by hand, I found that simply triple-folding the bathroom rugs (that you need to move out of the way anyway), and using those as soft support, works perfectly. Stairs will never be my favorite, but at about 6 months they do not really give me problems most days. Weather changes, or overdoing things, sometimes still make it painful. But considering that before the TKR it was totally impossible for me to walk down stairs normally, or walk down any but the most gentle downslope, I’ll take what I have now!

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Hi I am a newbie and looking for some advice/help after a tkr. I am 8 weeks post op and struggling to raise my leg, do squats and climb stairs,also getting up from a seat is chronic. My Pt says work through it as my quads need strengthening but have tried over and over and the pain is severe. Worried as my knee gives away trying to do stairs and wonder how to get past this. Thank you in advance,

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@caz7

Hi I am a newbie and looking for some advice/help after a tkr. I am 8 weeks post op and struggling to raise my leg, do squats and climb stairs,also getting up from a seat is chronic. My Pt says work through it as my quads need strengthening but have tried over and over and the pain is severe. Worried as my knee gives away trying to do stairs and wonder how to get past this. Thank you in advance,

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Hi @caz7 - Welcome to Connect! Glad you checked in here. I had a TKR on 1/29/19 - so I'm about 2 weeks ahead of you, but this is my 2nd so I guess I'm an old pro instead of a newbie. LOL. Anyway, I hear you on the issue of stairs. That was my most difficult PT exercise - and I had lots more trouble going down stairs vs. going up. It sounds as if you are working as hard as you can work on strengthening. A couple of questions: How many times a week are you going to PT? How is your range of motion? I would say that 8 weeks is still reasonably early and every knee recovers at its own speed. I have a feeling you are going to get stronger and better at stairs in the weeks ahead. In fact, I think you will still see lots of progress between 8 and 12 weeks. I'm going to tag some people who have had TKR's and may be able to share their insights - @contentandwell, @ellerbracke and @dkapustin

I also want to share a thread that may be relevant to your concerns:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/ability-to-lift-leg/

I'm wishing you the best as you continue your recovery. Be kind to that new knee!

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@debbraw

Hi @caz7 - Welcome to Connect! Glad you checked in here. I had a TKR on 1/29/19 - so I'm about 2 weeks ahead of you, but this is my 2nd so I guess I'm an old pro instead of a newbie. LOL. Anyway, I hear you on the issue of stairs. That was my most difficult PT exercise - and I had lots more trouble going down stairs vs. going up. It sounds as if you are working as hard as you can work on strengthening. A couple of questions: How many times a week are you going to PT? How is your range of motion? I would say that 8 weeks is still reasonably early and every knee recovers at its own speed. I have a feeling you are going to get stronger and better at stairs in the weeks ahead. In fact, I think you will still see lots of progress between 8 and 12 weeks. I'm going to tag some people who have had TKR's and may be able to share their insights - @contentandwell, @ellerbracke and @dkapustin

I also want to share a thread that may be relevant to your concerns:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/ability-to-lift-leg/

I'm wishing you the best as you continue your recovery. Be kind to that new knee!

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@caz7 @debbraw I have a tendency to put medical issues behind me, but if I recall correctly, I just pushed myself to do the stairs. We have a two story home and sleeping on the first floor was not an option. My husband would want to walk behind me when I was going up and in front of me when I was going down, but it really was not necessary. My biggest accomplishment came much later when I could finally do stairs without holding to the handrail, which is necessary when carrying a laundry basket or anything basically.

@caz7 Have you spoken to your doctor about the amount of pain you are in? I hope so, and if not you really should, to make sure it is not something that is unacceptable. I was in a lot of pain for about 6 weeks and my doctor was seeing me regularly during that time, monitoring it. When the pain finally lifted, quite dramatically, we were both very relieved.

Squats will always be difficult for me, I only have 115° in my left leg. I just found out this week that I have 125° in my right leg which really surprised me. That means that the flex continued to improve a number of years after the TKR! I actually lost some flex in my left knee, I am wondering if I now have some scar tissue there interfering. I am having some PT for hip bursitis so I asked him to measure while I was there. The therapist said that having 0° when you straighten is actually more important though because if you don't have that your knee is more apt to buckle.

Getting up from sitting was also difficult, especially in the bathroom, but we have counters very close to the toilet in our bathroom and also in the first floor bathroom so that was a huge help. I did use a frame around the toilet for a while to assist in getting up.

Since this was my second TKR I got very prepared before it, doing a lot of exercises to strengthen the surrounding muscles. Just do what you can do. You should be able to do a little bit more every couple of days. Try to not stress, this will get better and you will be doing almost everything that a person with no TKRs can do.

You will get through this, try to not get discouraged.
JK

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@debbraw

Hi @caz7 - Welcome to Connect! Glad you checked in here. I had a TKR on 1/29/19 - so I'm about 2 weeks ahead of you, but this is my 2nd so I guess I'm an old pro instead of a newbie. LOL. Anyway, I hear you on the issue of stairs. That was my most difficult PT exercise - and I had lots more trouble going down stairs vs. going up. It sounds as if you are working as hard as you can work on strengthening. A couple of questions: How many times a week are you going to PT? How is your range of motion? I would say that 8 weeks is still reasonably early and every knee recovers at its own speed. I have a feeling you are going to get stronger and better at stairs in the weeks ahead. In fact, I think you will still see lots of progress between 8 and 12 weeks. I'm going to tag some people who have had TKR's and may be able to share their insights - @contentandwell, @ellerbracke and @dkapustin

I also want to share a thread that may be relevant to your concerns:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/ability-to-lift-leg/

I'm wishing you the best as you continue your recovery. Be kind to that new knee!

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Hi Debbraw, thanks so much for your response. I apologise for it being late had a hectic family week..... Well firstly good luck with your tkr, I hope all is still well with you. I am 9 wks tomorrow post op and my range of motion is about 135. Physio I rarely see as they are always busy. Ironically they are at the hospital I work t and feel compelled to go but to be quite honest they haven't benefited me much. I have so much conflicting advice just don't know who/what to listen to anymore. I went back to a phased return at work on Friday and Saturday. Friday was ok as mainly seated but standing in between to get up and do things an effort. I stupidly went shopping afterwards to 3 different shopping areas after thinking I was fine but am paying the price today. I just wanted a bit of normality and shopped and paid bills. On the last leg I was walking so slowly and had work the next day so bed at tea time and rested. Saturday really stiff and slow walking at work. Today family visited and am up in bed with ice on and wishing I hadn't done the extras. I try the leg raises and stair climbs but are unbearable, physio say put ice on straight after yep did that but still unbearable to do again on my next attempt and icing doesn't help raise it just calms it down till the next fight. Giving up.! Thanks for your help, I hope your knee is improving. I think I am just in bed elevating and icing again all week till this weekend at work.

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@contentandwell

@caz7 @debbraw I have a tendency to put medical issues behind me, but if I recall correctly, I just pushed myself to do the stairs. We have a two story home and sleeping on the first floor was not an option. My husband would want to walk behind me when I was going up and in front of me when I was going down, but it really was not necessary. My biggest accomplishment came much later when I could finally do stairs without holding to the handrail, which is necessary when carrying a laundry basket or anything basically.

@caz7 Have you spoken to your doctor about the amount of pain you are in? I hope so, and if not you really should, to make sure it is not something that is unacceptable. I was in a lot of pain for about 6 weeks and my doctor was seeing me regularly during that time, monitoring it. When the pain finally lifted, quite dramatically, we were both very relieved.

Squats will always be difficult for me, I only have 115° in my left leg. I just found out this week that I have 125° in my right leg which really surprised me. That means that the flex continued to improve a number of years after the TKR! I actually lost some flex in my left knee, I am wondering if I now have some scar tissue there interfering. I am having some PT for hip bursitis so I asked him to measure while I was there. The therapist said that having 0° when you straighten is actually more important though because if you don't have that your knee is more apt to buckle.

Getting up from sitting was also difficult, especially in the bathroom, but we have counters very close to the toilet in our bathroom and also in the first floor bathroom so that was a huge help. I did use a frame around the toilet for a while to assist in getting up.

Since this was my second TKR I got very prepared before it, doing a lot of exercises to strengthen the surrounding muscles. Just do what you can do. You should be able to do a little bit more every couple of days. Try to not stress, this will get better and you will be doing almost everything that a person with no TKRs can do.

You will get through this, try to not get discouraged.
JK

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Thanks JK apologies for late response have had a busy deflating weekend. Your advice is great thanks. I am going to see myGP tomorrow re meds but wont hold my breath. It's unbearable lifting and I'm not generally weak and fight pain but this leg raise instability climbing stairs is mad. How can you keep doing exercises that hurt and cause pain and swelling to ice again and do it all over and over and still get nowhere/ Others say "bonesmart" dont do anything it will all come in time?? Wish I'd never had it done.

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