Chronic severe nocturnal hypnic headaches

Posted by taterjoy @taterjoy, Aug 29, 2016

I am looking for anyone else who has been diagnosed and treated for chronic, severe nocturnal hypnic headaches. I have had them for about 12 years, and on treatment, but not optimal treatment. I am interested in hearing how others with this rare diagnosis are being told to treat them safely.

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Profile picture for gussie @gussie

I bet you saw Dr. Goldstein. I went to him for over 30 years. He is quite an unusual man. He fired me about 5 years ago because I was his only private patient left in his practice. He only does testing for big pharma now and I didn't want to be part of his test groups. I will say he diagnosed my husband's Cerebral Angioma when he had symptoms and I didn't know where else to bring him. He is since in the care of UCSF neuro dept.

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By the way since I'm on medicare and United healthcare, the monthly payout for any of the CGRP drugs are awfully expensive since it's hardly covered at all.

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Profile picture for taterjoy @taterjoy

I hope your neuro listened better than mind did, and was nicer. Having no treatment luck at Kaiser NoCal, I referred myself to the San Francisco Headache Clinic (2006-2008). The "famous" headache specialist there was able to diagnose my "rare" Hypnic headache type after 6 expensive monthly visits, which I appreciated and appreciated learning Indomethacin alone worked (while the variety of narcotics alone and in combo with many other meds he had prescribed, prior, had done nothing). I severed ties when he kept prescribing oral treatments for my acute hormonal migraines, though I told him that due to acute vomitting and diarreah, the oral meds all got propelled from my body and thus, did not help at all.

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I bet you saw Dr. Goldstein. I went to him for over 30 years. He is quite an unusual man. He fired me about 5 years ago because I was his only private patient left in his practice. He only does testing for big pharma now and I didn't want to be part of his test groups. I will say he diagnosed my husband's Cerebral Angioma when he had symptoms and I didn't know where else to bring him. He is since in the care of UCSF neuro dept.

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Profile picture for gussie @gussie

I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area too. I wonder if we saw the same neuro.

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I hope your neuro listened better than mind did, and was nicer. Having no treatment luck at Kaiser NoCal, I referred myself to the San Francisco Headache Clinic (2006-2008). The "famous" headache specialist there was able to diagnose my "rare" Hypnic headache type after 6 expensive monthly visits, which I appreciated and appreciated learning Indomethacin alone worked (while the variety of narcotics alone and in combo with many other meds he had prescribed, prior, had done nothing). I severed ties when he kept prescribing oral treatments for my acute hormonal migraines, though I told him that due to acute vomitting and diarreah, the oral meds all got propelled from my body and thus, did not help at all.

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Profile picture for taterjoy @taterjoy

Never tried imitrex prior to bedtime to prevent the headaches, nor treatment with estrogen. The regimen I am on (Indomethacin plus caffiene) was started by a headache specialist in San Fran,CA. Other meds for "hypnic" headaches did not work for me. While my regimen usually worked, my Mayo MD is hoping to ween me off Indomethacin since its not safe for long-term use (GI bleeding risk). I do take an additoinal med to help prevent GI bleeds called pantoprazole. I hope you can find safe treatments that are effective.

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I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area too. I wonder if we saw the same neuro.

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Profile picture for Avion @benchi300

have anyone with Hypnic Headaches tried the injections (Aimovig, Ajovy, Emgality) they usually give for people with migraines and if so , did it help? Thanks

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Yes, Avjovy and Emgaloty have helped with my Migraines, but NOT at all with my nocturnal "Hypnic" type headache. I took Emgality for several years (it worked AMAZINGLY well on migraines along with many migraine sequelae such as color distortion, visual distortion and sensitivity to light, and almost cured my severe dry eye syndrome). However, I was paying out of pocket and when my insurer finally adden one CPRP to the formulary, I switched to Ajovy. It works almost as well to prevent migraines but less well on the accompanying sequelae. NEITHER of these two drugs had any impact on my headaches generated by nocturnal REM sleep. I have had to continue Indomethacin plus coffee, though now on a lower dose of Indo with the addition of high dose melatonin also prior to bedtime. I hope found a treatment that helps, and that you are feeling better.

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Profile picture for gussie @gussie

I stopped it. I think it stopped working and the side effects were just too much for me.

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I'm so so sorry it did not work out, Gussie. So dismal to have to revisit frequent headaches and the aftermath. I'm so so sorry, and hope there are other options your MD will consider. Your comments about Qulpta were so helpful, thank you for sharing your experience. I hope the NEXT treatment will be effective and cause many fewer (if any) untoward side effects.

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Profile picture for gussie @gussie

I have been on Quilpta for a week now and so far it's pretty amazing. I don't know if this will last or be like the prednisone and after awhile go back to my ugly nightime routine. It is constipating however. And now I'm on a diuretic and that has the same side effect so have to work on that. If it does work I just hope she continues to give me samples.

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Hi Gussie! I just today saw your message from April. Is the Quilpta still helping to prevent your nocturnal headaches? And have you found a solution for the constipation? I hope so. Thanks for sharing. EDITEED: I SAW YOUR OTHER POSTS TODAY and see you have discontinued the Quilpta.

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Profile picture for suzbuck11 @suzbuck11

I haven't visited a headache specialist yet. I have visited a neurologist in the past for other things but I will say it is not a match for me. I haven't been brave enough to try the coffee but I guess I can do that on a day where I don't have any major responsibilities the next day. I've seen some people mention estrogen - I am already on that but that doesn't seem to help. I find I tend not to move if I am having one of these headaches so then I get stiff too. I find it hard to get up because I am in a lot of pain but I know that that is the only way to get past the headache. Wondering if taking an imitrex prior to bed time would help? I don't particularly want to be on additional medications but just wondering if it might help?

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Never tried imitrex prior to bedtime to prevent the headaches, nor treatment with estrogen. The regimen I am on (Indomethacin plus caffiene) was started by a headache specialist in San Fran,CA. Other meds for "hypnic" headaches did not work for me. While my regimen usually worked, my Mayo MD is hoping to ween me off Indomethacin since its not safe for long-term use (GI bleeding risk). I do take an additoinal med to help prevent GI bleeds called pantoprazole. I hope you can find safe treatments that are effective.

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Profile picture for shaylala @shaylala

Thankful the headaches have never returned.

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Oh no the headaches are back. I also have very vivid dreams all night every night. I wonder if they are causing some sort of tension headache every night. They started when the headaches started but I can't find a doctor that has even heard of that. Finally on Mayo Clinic Connect I have found other people with this odd situation.

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Profile picture for Avion @benchi300

hi may i ask if youve been able to keep the morning headaches away. I see your post is from 2020 , how are u doing with the hypnic headaches? still under control? thanks

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Thankful the headaches have never returned.

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