Can I go from daily Morphine to pain control from CBD oil

Posted by 1oldcarnut @1oldcarnut, Mar 16, 2018

I am new at this, so please give me some leeway.
I currently take 2 60mg ER morphine with 3 30 mg fast acting for break thru pain. I have been at this amount for at least 6 years now.
There are many problems taking morphine and with the current anti drug climate I am looking for other ways to manage my pain.

My hopes lean in the direction of CBD oil, and I have had some good results with it so far. It probably will work from 50 to 60% of the time.
I am thinking that I can use CBD oil with THC for the times CBD doesn't work by itself.
One hope I have is I will not be as physically dependent on the CBD and THC as I am on Morphine. Maybe even have some normal days.

My question to the group is, Has any one had any experience in this regard? Will the CBD with THC help me with my withdrawal from the morphine?
My actual time on morphine is close to 14 years. The hardest question is will I be jumping from the frying pan to the fire?

I know I am asking a lot but any help or personal experience would be a great help.
1oldcarnut

@jleem

First of all…big hugs and I hope you find relief. It sounds like it has been a long and frustrating journey for you. I would strongly advise you to talk with your doctor about how to safely decrease your medication. I went through withdrawals myself because I was stubborn…not safe and not worth it. I’m not sure what state you are in, but in MN medical THC as well as the CBD are legal. My doctor gave me a certificate and I paid all the fees to be certified to buy and carry. After months of trying every different level of THC and CBD…I gave up. It didn’t work and it was very expensive. I do know quite a few people that have had success with CBD oil though….hopefully you are one of them. I suggest finding a good quality oil. Talk with you doctor about adding it to the regime your on now….hopefully in time you will be able to use less medication.

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Hi, I am in MN as well and would really like to see if cbd oil instead of opioids would be an option for me. I am in so much pain all the time and no one can figure out why. It’s just more meds to bandaid the problem but never get to the root of the cause. I think I need to find a legit Lyme doctor maybe. The only problem is the last time I had to renew my pain contract it stated I could not use cbd. So my thoughts are doctors don’t really want us knowing if this will work for us or not.

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@lean1

Hi, I am in MN as well and would really like to see if cbd oil instead of opioids would be an option for me. I am in so much pain all the time and no one can figure out why. It’s just more meds to bandaid the problem but never get to the root of the cause. I think I need to find a legit Lyme doctor maybe. The only problem is the last time I had to renew my pain contract it stated I could not use cbd. So my thoughts are doctors don’t really want us knowing if this will work for us or not.

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You are correct, some doctors are for it some against. My therapy office says it’s a big no no, but my family doctor, cardiologist, dermatologist are hung ho for it. If it works why not? It’s better then the pharmaceutical drugs that get you dependent and a killer to go off of.

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Good evening, I am in the process of moving from CA to MN in part because MN does have dispensaries for Medical Marijuana. One of the very positive features of the MN program is that you will have a pharmacological specialist who works with you to find the right component dosages. There are 3 product options at this point, one of which is a tincture and is, for me, the best delivery method. In CA you have no "guide" and so must do a lot of experimenting on your own which can be a bit risky as well as expensive. Although the folks at the dispensaries are very helpful…they do not have medical experience.
They just know what others have told them about their experience with different products or what they have read in preparation for their job. You do need to complete an application, have an RX and pay $200. Actually, MN received a national award for medical marijuana research a year or so ago. I have been using only Medical Marijuana for pain control now for several years. My heart just breaks to read the posts from those who are caught in the opioid trap and seeing one of my friends having to be hospitalized for addictive issues was disheartening. Here is the link to the MN site. http://www.health.state.mn.us/topics/ca

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BE VERY careful coming off of Morphine. I did not like it and without telling my doctor I went off of it. TWO weeks of hell. And, surgery to remove a Gall Bladder which was damaged. Have your doctor help you off the morphine

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The stupidity of some of the States not approving Marijuana is mind boggling. Then you hear people call it DOPE. These are uninformed public. I lived in Oregon and had free access to the Marijuana. Of course the card was expensive every year. But, you know you are getting healthy weed. Before the law was approved to sell Marijuana, I bought mine where ever I could get it. No need for hard drugs. I wish Idaho, Texas would wake up and see the positive benefits. I have RA. I am not taking two kinds of drugs that I would love to throw away and use Marijuana any day/

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Hi..I think it's great you want to get off pharmaceuticals. That is my goal too.

I was taking oxycodone (10-325 mg twice a day as needed) for breakthrough pain, muscle relaxers and MS Contin 30 mg three times a day.

I started on Low THC/CBD oil almost 6 weeks ago. I decided I wanted off as much prescription meds as possible. I started with the oxycodone because it was as needed and I wanted to take baby steps. After 2 days on the oil I was off of oxy…and had cut way down on my muscle relaxers…I had just started trying tapering down the morphine from x3 to x2 when it was time for my next appointment with pain doc. He was pleased with results and told me to continue as I had been but to make sure I took the oil twice a day…6 drops..which is about what I had been taking only I was taking it as needed…so basically I am taking something every 6 hours.

The only problem I had was sleeping through some of my med/oil times even setting two alarms..music and voice. Which meant I was finally getting some much needed restful sleep. I go back to pain doc in a few days. I am not sure if I want to try this regime for another month or try and reduce my dosage of morphine.

I have had positive results and regardless if I can completely cut out all script meds or just reduce I feel like I am doing something positive for myself. I wish you the best of luck…I think it would be safer and give you peace of mind to consult and work with your doctor or pharmacist..take care.

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@shearzi

Hi..I think it's great you want to get off pharmaceuticals. That is my goal too.

I was taking oxycodone (10-325 mg twice a day as needed) for breakthrough pain, muscle relaxers and MS Contin 30 mg three times a day.

I started on Low THC/CBD oil almost 6 weeks ago. I decided I wanted off as much prescription meds as possible. I started with the oxycodone because it was as needed and I wanted to take baby steps. After 2 days on the oil I was off of oxy…and had cut way down on my muscle relaxers…I had just started trying tapering down the morphine from x3 to x2 when it was time for my next appointment with pain doc. He was pleased with results and told me to continue as I had been but to make sure I took the oil twice a day…6 drops..which is about what I had been taking only I was taking it as needed…so basically I am taking something every 6 hours.

The only problem I had was sleeping through some of my med/oil times even setting two alarms..music and voice. Which meant I was finally getting some much needed restful sleep. I go back to pain doc in a few days. I am not sure if I want to try this regime for another month or try and reduce my dosage of morphine.

I have had positive results and regardless if I can completely cut out all script meds or just reduce I feel like I am doing something positive for myself. I wish you the best of luck…I think it would be safer and give you peace of mind to consult and work with your doctor or pharmacist..take care.

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Welcome to Connect @shearzi. It is great to see that you and your physician are working together to find what is best for you and they are on board with what you are doing. It is always best to work with a physician to ensure you aren't mixing things that could potentially be dangerous. @shearzi, if you don't mind sharing, what brought you to the chronic pain group? It sounds like you are/were on quite the regimen of pain pills, are you comfortable sharing what is causing you such pain?

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Dude just get weed for all occasions, morning weed(sativa), daily weed( whatever u enjoy during the in between boring hours/ and night weed(Indica dominant) for obvious reasons and yes HEAVY CBD will help with the Psychosis’s takeover of the brain from lowering the opiate.
But u gotta load up with everything from my pepto(just in case. I didn’t need) hunker down for few months(lot o weed, lot o hydration, few vitamins don’t go crazy lotto rest unless u feel like doing something…that’s even better if possible and just start lowering the breakthrough instant release opiate crap first.
You will get down to the base morph your 2 60mg, stay for a week then go down to 3 30mg morph and a “belbuca strip or 2 just in case… then start breaking a little piece(like a crescent moon shape) off the 30mg morph each time you take one!so your really only taking 20mg or so(just don’t crush or snort) breaking a piece offf and not taking it does not affect either piece, then start raking halves or 15s and just keep on going!!! but with enough weed you can eventually lower your morphine to practically nothing….. I did it!!!
And I was same as u…I’m goin on 8 months with no breakthrough meds, maintenance nalaxone strips, but I don’t think u will need strips the younger u are the stronger u r dude…so do it before u get to old bro

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@billdup

Dude just get weed for all occasions, morning weed(sativa), daily weed( whatever u enjoy during the in between boring hours/ and night weed(Indica dominant) for obvious reasons and yes HEAVY CBD will help with the Psychosis’s takeover of the brain from lowering the opiate.
But u gotta load up with everything from my pepto(just in case. I didn’t need) hunker down for few months(lot o weed, lot o hydration, few vitamins don’t go crazy lotto rest unless u feel like doing something…that’s even better if possible and just start lowering the breakthrough instant release opiate crap first.
You will get down to the base morph your 2 60mg, stay for a week then go down to 3 30mg morph and a “belbuca strip or 2 just in case… then start breaking a little piece(like a crescent moon shape) off the 30mg morph each time you take one!so your really only taking 20mg or so(just don’t crush or snort) breaking a piece offf and not taking it does not affect either piece, then start raking halves or 15s and just keep on going!!! but with enough weed you can eventually lower your morphine to practically nothing….. I did it!!!
And I was same as u…I’m goin on 8 months with no breakthrough meds, maintenance nalaxone strips, but I don’t think u will need strips the younger u are the stronger u r dude…so do it before u get to old bro

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Oh and you won’t be addicted to weed like the morphine….you can actually quit weed cold turkey..u might not sleep well for a few so I didn’t. Sleep deprivation is the best form of torture cause u go insane!! HeHeHeHe!!
So after all’s said and done just cut back on the weed a little if you want to lol!! And you will have your life back with very very little discomfort. You will be laughing and crying at tv again, all emotions return so don’t be overwhelmed. if you are depressed….smoke, watch 2 1/2 men or somethin.

Cut out that oxy first the toughest times are right after u stop the oxy completely so do it slowly n gradually …that crud is worse than any other ingested opiate that drug is Pure evil.
After that you will find that cutting the morph is easier than the oxy! You might have to up your morphine for a few days after the oxy is gone i called it a “ transition” it is weird, but is gone after few days so smoke smoke smoke the night weed and go heavy on smokin CBDs too for those few days…u might feel hopeless for few days but trust me that will pass!!!

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@billdup

Oh and you won’t be addicted to weed like the morphine….you can actually quit weed cold turkey..u might not sleep well for a few so I didn’t. Sleep deprivation is the best form of torture cause u go insane!! HeHeHeHe!!
So after all’s said and done just cut back on the weed a little if you want to lol!! And you will have your life back with very very little discomfort. You will be laughing and crying at tv again, all emotions return so don’t be overwhelmed. if you are depressed….smoke, watch 2 1/2 men or somethin.

Cut out that oxy first the toughest times are right after u stop the oxy completely so do it slowly n gradually …that crud is worse than any other ingested opiate that drug is Pure evil.
After that you will find that cutting the morph is easier than the oxy! You might have to up your morphine for a few days after the oxy is gone i called it a “ transition” it is weird, but is gone after few days so smoke smoke smoke the night weed and go heavy on smokin CBDs too for those few days…u might feel hopeless for few days but trust me that will pass!!!

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Hello @billdup, welcome to Connect.

On Mayo Clinic Connect, we offer experiences and knowledge to one-another but are not medical providers. Because tapering off medications, especially opiates, can be both difficult and vastly different for each person, it is always best to consult a medical provider or pharmacist on how to best taper off meds. The long a person has been on a medication, the more complex the tapering off an opiate can be. Because research is still limited with medical marijuana, it can't be said for certain how each person would react to using this as a method for tapering off of their pain medications. To be safe, especially when mixing medications and marijuana, it is best practice to keep your medical providers in the loop. It is great that you have had a positive experience using this method, but it may not be the same for each member here on Connect.

@billdup, if you don't mind sharing a bit more about yourself, what brought you to the chronic pain group? If you are comfortable, what has caused your chronic pain?

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@JustinMcClanahan

Hello @billdup, welcome to Connect.

On Mayo Clinic Connect, we offer experiences and knowledge to one-another but are not medical providers. Because tapering off medications, especially opiates, can be both difficult and vastly different for each person, it is always best to consult a medical provider or pharmacist on how to best taper off meds. The long a person has been on a medication, the more complex the tapering off an opiate can be. Because research is still limited with medical marijuana, it can't be said for certain how each person would react to using this as a method for tapering off of their pain medications. To be safe, especially when mixing medications and marijuana, it is best practice to keep your medical providers in the loop. It is great that you have had a positive experience using this method, but it may not be the same for each member here on Connect.

@billdup, if you don't mind sharing a bit more about yourself, what brought you to the chronic pain group? If you are comfortable, what has caused your chronic pain?

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48 years breathing, 30 years same house…had 2 business I did tree climbing and removal for 8-10 , then when computers got popular I changed to computer repair.
My dads brother got cancer but caught it early and beat it, My dad got cancer when I was as like 10 he was 32 and died at 36 after brutal battle. But was awesome enough to buy me a Commodore 64 when I was 9…..so I was coding “basic” at the age of 10 to this day I thankem in my head for seeing that in me before he died…now if I wasn’t so banged up and especially taking opiates, I could fix ANY COMPUTER, ANY PROBLEM, I can do it all!!! Networking, web design, hardware software , database programming, Visual Basic, active server pages, Java, whatever, but with opiat s and pain and stress I’m USELESS
getting back…
Mother married the furniture salesman a few months later and threw me in military boarding Schools. (Were so bad they would make penn state and jerry Sandusky seem like a tea party!!
Because I look so much like my father.

Despite all that I managed to live pretty decent all alone, payin the mortgage, etc..
Then I was rear ended at a dead light. Between the blown discs to my neck and back, I also have advanced osteoarthritis with fissuring in both hips, spinal stenosis , nerve damage, carpal in both hands. Other physical issues, and depression, real bad anxiety.
So I have been mentally screwed forever managed to function for a long time until was too much after getting rear ended , living alone my whole life, being beat down physicallly and mentally by no fault of my own…but because weed wasn’t legal..I had to take benzos, opiates, antidepressants anti- inflammatory..internal meds type
2 diabetes, hypertension, fear of going out, everything escalated with PHARMACEUTICALS…..but now that I have a medical marijuana card I got myself back!!
Insurance will pay $8,000 for evzio for me “just in case” once again saw that I said screw this..:.they will pay for me to do opiates, carry a $8,000 bandaid which when living alone is useless, so i never even on my worst opiate days I never load up before bed….you could die..so I’d rather wake up with a lil detox than not t waking up. But my point being pot is going to save my life, but is going to break me financially!!!
Just got so sick of that cycle in the last 8 years I’ve lost so many friends, family to opiate crap…..
Yet I have lifelong friends that wake up, smoke a lil sativa, work hard daily come home smoke a lil indica and cbd for sleep, pain, etc… and they do fine.
I was always scared to break the law because if I get arrested, who would watch my house, pay my bills, run my business etc… b
THANK GOD THAT THE “GARDEN STATE” is Les living up to its reputation, now we need INSURANCE TO PAY FOR ANLITTLE WEED , instead of A TON OF OPIATE

We fight fire with fire,
We fight violence and war with violence and war
We fight cancer with the tumors own cancer cells,
So we should FIGHT THE WAR ON synthetic DRUGS WITH natural ones that god and especially Mother Nature provided us!!!!
And with my crappy genetics and after real bad quality of “opiate life” recently….at least I didn’t get cancer yet…so maybe it was the weed I smoked as a teen to calm myself, then had to stop in order to be a legit adult, and now it has circled right back to pot…:that shit saved my life, mentally, physically, physiologically,

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@billdup

48 years breathing, 30 years same house…had 2 business I did tree climbing and removal for 8-10 , then when computers got popular I changed to computer repair.
My dads brother got cancer but caught it early and beat it, My dad got cancer when I was as like 10 he was 32 and died at 36 after brutal battle. But was awesome enough to buy me a Commodore 64 when I was 9…..so I was coding “basic” at the age of 10 to this day I thankem in my head for seeing that in me before he died…now if I wasn’t so banged up and especially taking opiates, I could fix ANY COMPUTER, ANY PROBLEM, I can do it all!!! Networking, web design, hardware software , database programming, Visual Basic, active server pages, Java, whatever, but with opiat s and pain and stress I’m USELESS
getting back…
Mother married the furniture salesman a few months later and threw me in military boarding Schools. (Were so bad they would make penn state and jerry Sandusky seem like a tea party!!
Because I look so much like my father.

Despite all that I managed to live pretty decent all alone, payin the mortgage, etc..
Then I was rear ended at a dead light. Between the blown discs to my neck and back, I also have advanced osteoarthritis with fissuring in both hips, spinal stenosis , nerve damage, carpal in both hands. Other physical issues, and depression, real bad anxiety.
So I have been mentally screwed forever managed to function for a long time until was too much after getting rear ended , living alone my whole life, being beat down physicallly and mentally by no fault of my own…but because weed wasn’t legal..I had to take benzos, opiates, antidepressants anti- inflammatory..internal meds type
2 diabetes, hypertension, fear of going out, everything escalated with PHARMACEUTICALS…..but now that I have a medical marijuana card I got myself back!!
Insurance will pay $8,000 for evzio for me “just in case” once again saw that I said screw this..:.they will pay for me to do opiates, carry a $8,000 bandaid which when living alone is useless, so i never even on my worst opiate days I never load up before bed….you could die..so I’d rather wake up with a lil detox than not t waking up. But my point being pot is going to save my life, but is going to break me financially!!!
Just got so sick of that cycle in the last 8 years I’ve lost so many friends, family to opiate crap…..
Yet I have lifelong friends that wake up, smoke a lil sativa, work hard daily come home smoke a lil indica and cbd for sleep, pain, etc… and they do fine.
I was always scared to break the law because if I get arrested, who would watch my house, pay my bills, run my business etc… b
THANK GOD THAT THE “GARDEN STATE” is Les living up to its reputation, now we need INSURANCE TO PAY FOR ANLITTLE WEED , instead of A TON OF OPIATE

We fight fire with fire,
We fight violence and war with violence and war
We fight cancer with the tumors own cancer cells,
So we should FIGHT THE WAR ON synthetic DRUGS WITH natural ones that god and especially Mother Nature provided us!!!!
And with my crappy genetics and after real bad quality of “opiate life” recently….at least I didn’t get cancer yet…so maybe it was the weed I smoked as a teen to calm myself, then had to stop in order to be a legit adult, and now it has circled right back to pot…:that shit saved my life, mentally, physically, physiologically,

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America destroyed my life with their idiotic thinking and hidden agendas….if they really wanted me to continue being a great citizen, and support them, then why not help me out and pay for my weed, now I’m in debt and close to being homeless, not from opiates (even though they are the true culprits) I spent a lotta money on weed to save my life!!! ALL BY MYSELF!!
That is how strong I am….the average person woulda been in a coffin for 40 years.
HeHeHeHe they will pay for lifelong opiates plus $8,000 for a nickels worth of evzio narcan, but won’t pay for weed and really “complete the saving of a life of a man who has put up an awesome fight!!”
Opiates even made start smoking cigarettes after being a lifetime non smoker. And I hate cigs!!!!!
Smoke, or vape, or eat MEDICINAL MARIJUANA!! You have to know what kind you are getting and it has to be a stable monthly supply.

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@JustinMcClanahan

Hello @billdup, welcome to Connect.

On Mayo Clinic Connect, we offer experiences and knowledge to one-another but are not medical providers. Because tapering off medications, especially opiates, can be both difficult and vastly different for each person, it is always best to consult a medical provider or pharmacist on how to best taper off meds. The long a person has been on a medication, the more complex the tapering off an opiate can be. Because research is still limited with medical marijuana, it can't be said for certain how each person would react to using this as a method for tapering off of their pain medications. To be safe, especially when mixing medications and marijuana, it is best practice to keep your medical providers in the loop. It is great that you have had a positive experience using this method, but it may not be the same for each member here on Connect.

@billdup, if you don't mind sharing a bit more about yourself, what brought you to the chronic pain group? If you are comfortable, what has caused your chronic pain?

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I’ve done a life study dude….a lifetime of being denied the medicine that could’ve avoided all this stuff in the first place!! I probably have emails older than you.

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@JustinMcClanahan

Welcome to Connect @shearzi. It is great to see that you and your physician are working together to find what is best for you and they are on board with what you are doing. It is always best to work with a physician to ensure you aren't mixing things that could potentially be dangerous. @shearzi, if you don't mind sharing, what brought you to the chronic pain group? It sounds like you are/were on quite the regimen of pain pills, are you comfortable sharing what is causing you such pain?

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He is working with a physician and I gave PERFECT ADVICE!!
this is actually my first digital footprint. I never do these stupid things, I been on a computer 24/7 for 40 years so I know about privacy and ethics and people have problems with them for the whole world to see..it is stupid….but I wanted to really let this dude know that it’s not that hard!!
When u spend a couple decades fixin computers in EVERY ENTITY in both the private & public sector…
Doctors, lawyers, judges, DEA, auto repair facilities..:.and when u spend hours or days as a fly on the wall fixing their IT equipment you hear and see EVERYTHING!!!

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@JustinMcClanahan

Hello @billdup, welcome to Connect.

On Mayo Clinic Connect, we offer experiences and knowledge to one-another but are not medical providers. Because tapering off medications, especially opiates, can be both difficult and vastly different for each person, it is always best to consult a medical provider or pharmacist on how to best taper off meds. The long a person has been on a medication, the more complex the tapering off an opiate can be. Because research is still limited with medical marijuana, it can't be said for certain how each person would react to using this as a method for tapering off of their pain medications. To be safe, especially when mixing medications and marijuana, it is best practice to keep your medical providers in the loop. It is great that you have had a positive experience using this method, but it may not be the same for each member here on Connect.

@billdup, if you don't mind sharing a bit more about yourself, what brought you to the chronic pain group? If you are comfortable, what has caused your chronic pain?

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And that message you wrote just looks like a generic message of pasted text with a couple changes with a little personalization. So if I might ask of you….try “one more time with FEELING”

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