Bone building drugs for osteopenia

Posted by sue417 @sue417, May 9 5:31pm

Hi
So I have been on zoldronic acid for 3 years. These things were going well had breast cancer last year and had to have radiation I just suffered two compression fractures Three weeks ago. Saw my endocrinologist today. He wants to change me to tymlos or evenity. I had a tia 5 yrs ago. After the tia they found I had a sinus node issue in my heart. Hi bld pressure and a blockage I. My aorta. I take meds for all. I am scared.
To change medications.And I don't know if this is good or not. Should my cardiologist be called.

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@gently

Radiation is definitely a bone hazard interrupting the DNA of rapidly dividing cells. Chemotherapy causes actively dividing cells to become senescent. Those senescent cells produce chemicals that induce bone death which further damage areas of bone. Aromatase inhibitors, like Anastrozole, lessen the bone protective estrogen.
But you can't skip the cancer treatment.
I didn't fracture. I had rectal cancer and the radiation path was directly through my femur head. After a (one time only) dexa T score of -5.6, I stopped researching (and hesitating). I suspect that the inspiring dexa measured an area of edema or fat infiltration post cancer treatment that resolved before it could fracture.
I was osteoporotic before cancer treatment because of age loss of estrogen.
I'm on my third year of Forteo.
I expected side effects. I have low blood pressure, so for my first week of injections I had the BP cuff handy. In the first seconds I'd lose 20 systolic points, but didn't feel anything--no dizziness, no loss of balance. Within seconds of the first reading the pressure begins to rise for me over the next two hours. For some it takes four hours. I was careful for a week or so.
But I do like morning tea on the roof.
Some people so have side effects. Forteo acts quickly to draw calcium from your bones, kidneys and digestive tract into your bloodstream. This in turn rapidly dilates your blood vessels. The increase in calcium can cause nausea. The widening blood vessels can cause headache and dizziness. You might try having something salty and something caffeinated to
constrict the blood vessels. It is good to be well hydrated to increase serum volume to counteract the increase in vessel volume. I started with a blue corn chip and then turned a green olive.
You might ask your endocrinologist to order bone markers before beginning and one or two months after starting treatment. I like the marker P1NP, but also CTX.
I can't write enough good things about this drug.

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Hi
I don't know what P1NP OR CTX IS. I have high blood pressure so I take medication for that plus a statin. Going to talk to my cardiologist before starting any new medication. I do have to have my zoledronic acid in June. Not sure when he will start whatever new drug we decide on. I am having a bone density hopefully within the next 2 weeks.

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Hi Sue,
P1NP and CTX are fragments left in the blood by osteoblasts and osteoclasts, the cells that build and the cells that breakdown bone. Measuring those fragments tells how much bone is being cleared and how much is being replaced. They are commonly used to determine if a medication is working successfully for your bones. With teriparatide Forteo, you expect to see a large increase in the number P1NP after two or three months.

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@gently

Hi Sue,
P1NP and CTX are fragments left in the blood by osteoblasts and osteoclasts, the cells that build and the cells that breakdown bone. Measuring those fragments tells how much bone is being cleared and how much is being replaced. They are commonly used to determine if a medication is working successfully for your bones. With teriparatide Forteo, you expect to see a large increase in the number P1NP after two or three months.

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Hi
How do they test for that. Is it blood work? You have told me more than my endocrinologist about these meds. Thank you. I like going in and having knowledge about stuff. I worked in the operating room , Maintaining the inventory and ordering equipment for physicians for surgeries. So i've always been that type of person to investigate.

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sue417, both are serum labs.
Some doctors don't (won't) order them. In the 1990s the assays were improved and regulated so that the tests are reliable. It seems prudent to use them to ascertain that the medications is working for the patient. It isn't clever to take a medication for a year and find that there is no improvement.
The operating room must have been interesting work.
Being the investigative type ensures that you will have much better health care.

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@gently

sue417, both are serum labs.
Some doctors don't (won't) order them. In the 1990s the assays were improved and regulated so that the tests are reliable. It seems prudent to use them to ascertain that the medications is working for the patient. It isn't clever to take a medication for a year and find that there is no improvement.
The operating room must have been interesting work.
Being the investigative type ensures that you will have much better health care.

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Good information to have. Always have to be careful how to approach a physician with information that I have found. I have to go to my endocrinologists monday to pay them for him to fill out my paperwork to see if I am covered for the drugs so i'm just going to mention to the receptionist about my Tia. I don't think my endocrinologist.Has that information I want my cardiologist and him to talk.

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@gently

Radiation is definitely a bone hazard interrupting the DNA of rapidly dividing cells. Chemotherapy causes actively dividing cells to become senescent. Those senescent cells produce chemicals that induce bone death which further damage areas of bone. Aromatase inhibitors, like Anastrozole, lessen the bone protective estrogen.
But you can't skip the cancer treatment.
I didn't fracture. I had rectal cancer and the radiation path was directly through my femur head. After a (one time only) dexa T score of -5.6, I stopped researching (and hesitating). I suspect that the inspiring dexa measured an area of edema or fat infiltration post cancer treatment that resolved before it could fracture.
I was osteoporotic before cancer treatment because of age loss of estrogen.
I'm on my third year of Forteo.
I expected side effects. I have low blood pressure, so for my first week of injections I had the BP cuff handy. In the first seconds I'd lose 20 systolic points, but didn't feel anything--no dizziness, no loss of balance. Within seconds of the first reading the pressure begins to rise for me over the next two hours. For some it takes four hours. I was careful for a week or so.
But I do like morning tea on the roof.
Some people so have side effects. Forteo acts quickly to draw calcium from your bones, kidneys and digestive tract into your bloodstream. This in turn rapidly dilates your blood vessels. The increase in calcium can cause nausea. The widening blood vessels can cause headache and dizziness. You might try having something salty and something caffeinated to
constrict the blood vessels. It is good to be well hydrated to increase serum volume to counteract the increase in vessel volume. I started with a blue corn chip and then turned a green olive.
You might ask your endocrinologist to order bone markers before beginning and one or two months after starting treatment. I like the marker P1NP, but also CTX.
I can't write enough good things about this drug.

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Hi
I have.
High blood pressure and i'm on medication for it along with heart medication. I.
Did not know you could take forteo longer than 2 yrs. My endocrinologist said two years on the bone builder and then back to zodronic acid.
I never felt my age until radiation treatment.I am sixty seven. Now my left knee is acting up which I just had injected in january. So now I have to have a cortisone shot in june. Its a drag. What time of day do you do your injection?

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This medically oriented group may not be interested in my natural approaches to osteoporosis, and certainly most doctors know nothing about "natural" approaches to bone building, but I will put this out there as "food for thought."

We can't possibly get the nutrients we need from foods to help with bone building unless we get enough magnesium, vitamin D3, K2, boron, etc. I bought a cheap yogurt maker and joined Dr. William Davis's FB group on fermenting dairy and nondairy with specific pre and pro biotics. A company, BioGaia makes a probiotic called Osfortis. You can take the capsules or you can ferment it to increase the number of microbes. There is research information on reversing osteoporosis on their website on the probiotic used in Osfortis. It is a Patented strain only they have. As for the supplements, I have been involved in optimal health and nutritional research for 42 years, so for me, drugs take a seat in the far back of the bus.

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whitewillow, we are all interested in natural approaches, especially those of us embracing the use of pharmaceuticals. Some of the pharmaceuticals are more "natural" than the synthetically derived B vitamins.
especially B12 which the body never makes compared to teriparatide a biosimilar not synthetic which is analogous to pth 1-34 naturally produced by your parathyroid gland.
Some of us can't use dairy, but many use probiotics.
As a purist you may want to reexamine Osfortis. It isn't possible to consider maltodextrin a "natural" given the chemicals used to create it, But further, in order to patent the product that only they have, it couldn't be natural.
Extracting a natural product doesn't qualify it for patent. There is something unnatural about their L Reuteri.
Most of us take k2, D3, calcium, magnesium and trace minerals. And we exercise.
I'm interested in Osfortis and hadn't heard of it before. I'm not opposed to the unnatural maltodextrin, not having diabetes. With 42 years of research you probably have many more tips for us.
And I hope you never end up at the back of the bus with those of us protecting our bones from fracture with pharmaceuticals. I hope you occupy an unusually privileged position and never fracture.

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@sue417

Hi
I have.
High blood pressure and i'm on medication for it along with heart medication. I.
Did not know you could take forteo longer than 2 yrs. My endocrinologist said two years on the bone builder and then back to zodronic acid.
I never felt my age until radiation treatment.I am sixty seven. Now my left knee is acting up which I just had injected in january. So now I have to have a cortisone shot in june. Its a drag. What time of day do you do your injection?

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sue417, I take the injection in the morning usually around 8am after walking and a couple of hours after calcium, D3 and K2. I use my thigh because I don't like bending my neck to look at my stomach.
I never decided which is better morning or night, belly or thigh.
I already think it would be better if you didn't take Evenity, but now with the knee information, I think Evenity is more likely to increase swelling in that poor knee. Not bad 4 to 5 months relief? with the cortisone.

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@gently

sue417, I take the injection in the morning usually around 8am after walking and a couple of hours after calcium, D3 and K2. I use my thigh because I don't like bending my neck to look at my stomach.
I never decided which is better morning or night, belly or thigh.
I already think it would be better if you didn't take Evenity, but now with the knee information, I think Evenity is more likely to increase swelling in that poor knee. Not bad 4 to 5 months relief? with the cortisone.

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Hi
No i am not going to do evenity because I had a tia 7 yrs ago. Someone on here sent me clinical dad about the blackbox warning.So I printed it and gave it to my doctor. Hopefully my extended healthcare approves me forteo. You still wants me to have a reclast infusion in june. I don't know why he just doesn't start me right down on the bone builder.

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