Arteriovenous Malformation (AVM) survival and side effects

Posted by auldcelt @auldcelt, Dec 16, 2016

I'm a survivor of an AVM in my right hemisphere. Since the surgery I am dealing wth migraines and wondered if anyone else has experienced this. If you have what have you tried to get back to normal living. I'm also interested in reading about studies and research on AVMs

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Hi @intrepiddoc, welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect, an online community connecting patients, allowing people to share the knowledge and expertise of experience living with a condition, and to give and get support.

Through a Google search, I found this recently published research by my Mayo Clinic:
- Evaluation of the Safety of Calcitonin Gene-Related Peptide Antagonists for Migraine Treatment Among Adults With Raynaud Phenomenon https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33871613/ (April 2021)

Here is information about AVM care at Mayo Clinic https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/arteriovenous-malformation/care-at-mayo-clinic/mac-20350547

Fellow member @msb18 discussed use of CGRP antagonists in this related discussion:
- Migraine - Aimovig and Cardiology or Pulmonology https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/migraine-aimovig-and-cardiology-or-pulmonology/

I hope this helps get you started as you search for treatment options. How long have you been living with AVM?

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Thank you for your quick response. I will read these.

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I am not sure about the function of this blog and if it is to help with information or simply create a group of like diseased patients and family for support. I would like some information however about the use of calcitonin gene related protein antagonist in these migraine like events that occur and have been described after radiation therapy for AVM. the treatments thus far , personally, have been unsatisfying and there is fear in using traditional migraine agents because they can cause constriction of vessels and theoretically, at least , cause problems. I am not even sure if you continue to moderate this board as your last post was 5 years ago. If you do still participate, do you have any sources at Mayo that could help answer this question about the use of CGRP antagonists? thanks

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Hi @intrepiddoc, welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect, an online community connecting patients, allowing people to share the knowledge and expertise of experience living with a condition, and to give and get support.

Through a Google search, I found this recently published research by my Mayo Clinic:
- Evaluation of the Safety of Calcitonin Gene-Related Peptide Antagonists for Migraine Treatment Among Adults With Raynaud Phenomenon https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33871613/ (April 2021)

Here is information about AVM care at Mayo Clinic https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/arteriovenous-malformation/care-at-mayo-clinic/mac-20350547

Fellow member @msb18 discussed use of CGRP antagonists in this related discussion:
- Migraine - Aimovig and Cardiology or Pulmonology https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/migraine-aimovig-and-cardiology-or-pulmonology/

I hope this helps get you started as you search for treatment options. How long have you been living with AVM?

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Welcome to Connect, @auldcelt.
I'm glad you started this discussion on AVM. Here are a couple of links to research being done:
- About Arteriovenous Malformation (AVM) | Aneurysm and AVM Foundation (TAAF) http://www.taafonline.org/am_about.html
- Arteriovenous Malformation Information Page | National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/avms/avms.htm

When did you have the surgery? How are you managing the migraines?

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I am not sure about the function of this blog and if it is to help with information or simply create a group of like diseased patients and family for support. I would like some information however about the use of calcitonin gene related protein antagonist in these migraine like events that occur and have been described after radiation therapy for AVM. the treatments thus far , personally, have been unsatisfying and there is fear in using traditional migraine agents because they can cause constriction of vessels and theoretically, at least , cause problems. I am not even sure if you continue to moderate this board as your last post was 5 years ago. If you do still participate, do you have any sources at Mayo that could help answer this question about the use of CGRP antagonists? thanks

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Hi @mockinbrd. I think it’s good to keep occupied with your daily routines. Do as much as you can without the disruption. It will get your mind off any worries.
I also had the glue to fix the AVM. For the last 2 surgeries to repair my ruptured AVM, the medical team used my right femoral artery for access instead of removing my skull. I have a friend who also had an AVM without rupture. Her medical team also did an angiogram to repair her AVM but accessed it through her brachial artery instead. In the process, they discovered a brain tumor which they later removed through surgery via the skull. My friend is recovering very well and is currently doing outpatient therapy to improve balance issues.
Discuss your options for the surgery to decide what is the best avenue to take for you. My friend planned ahead and participated in outpatient therapy prior to the surgery which increased the strength. Comparing physical evaluations before and after the surgery helped tremendously with the treatments. Outpatient therapy knew exactly which deficits to target.

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I have a AVM it was classified as a Grade 1 small. I am going to have radiotherapy with gamma knife. I would much have it removed permanently through surgery but after they described brain surgery ? I just read that your friend had brachial artery removal and wonder why they didn’t give this to me as an option ?

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Sorry for my delay in responding. The neurologist visit didn’t really give us much info other than they felt she may have had a tad bit of swelling but nothing to cause the episode of migraines she was having. They put her on about a weeks worth of steroids and this seemed to stop the cycle of the migraines every 24 hours. They didn’t rule out a break-through seizure. They switched up her meds but ended up putting her back on Keppra because the side effects of the new meds were too much for her. For now we are in a waiting period to see if the radiation treatment worked and keeping our fingers crossed she has no more side effects during this waiting period. It can take up to 2 years we are told and that they sometime see brain swelling issues around 6 months after treatment in which they can treat with steroids. October is her 6 month mark. Fingers crossed. 🤞🏻

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Hi @bobbiejo13 Since my last conversation with you my headaches are now once a month. A member has recommended an herbal tea called “Shifa Turmeric Headache Relief Tea” by Shifa Naturals. It is a product available on Amazon or through their website. I haven’t tried it yet but will on my next onset. I am hoping for great results. I hope the Keppra offers help. I only took the medication for 2 months but with the side effects it was difficult to tell whether my symptoms were caused or exacerbated by the medication. I cringed when taking it. For me it was not a good drug. My doctor had agreed to wean me off the medication since I was a low risk for seizures. Wish you both well in finding answers. It is not easy. Toni

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Sorry for my delay in responding. The neurologist visit didn’t really give us much info other than they felt she may have had a tad bit of swelling but nothing to cause the episode of migraines she was having. They put her on about a weeks worth of steroids and this seemed to stop the cycle of the migraines every 24 hours. They didn’t rule out a break-through seizure. They switched up her meds but ended up putting her back on Keppra because the side effects of the new meds were too much for her. For now we are in a waiting period to see if the radiation treatment worked and keeping our fingers crossed she has no more side effects during this waiting period. It can take up to 2 years we are told and that they sometime see brain swelling issues around 6 months after treatment in which they can treat with steroids. October is her 6 month mark. Fingers crossed. 🤞🏻

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Praying that the radiation treatments worked...with no side effects 🙏

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@bobbiejo13, I wanted to check back in with you. How was the appointment with the neurologist and surgeon? What did you learn? What are the next steps for your daughter?

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Sorry for my delay in responding. The neurologist visit didn’t really give us much info other than they felt she may have had a tad bit of swelling but nothing to cause the episode of migraines she was having. They put her on about a weeks worth of steroids and this seemed to stop the cycle of the migraines every 24 hours. They didn’t rule out a break-through seizure. They switched up her meds but ended up putting her back on Keppra because the side effects of the new meds were too much for her. For now we are in a waiting period to see if the radiation treatment worked and keeping our fingers crossed she has no more side effects during this waiting period. It can take up to 2 years we are told and that they sometime see brain swelling issues around 6 months after treatment in which they can treat with steroids. October is her 6 month mark. Fingers crossed. 🤞🏻

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Hello. I came across this group as I was searching for information that might help me to understand why my daughter is having the migraine headaches she is having after radiation treatment on her AVM. She was initially diagnosed due to having complicated migraines or migraines with stroke-like symptoms. She would get them maybe 5 times a year. She gets the vision disturbances, numbness/tingling in the hand, arm and face and slurred speech. She will also get dizzy at times. She had her radiation treatment in April and on 6/15 she had one of her migraines with all the symptoms. This past Friday at midnight she had another one, again around midnight on Saturday and around 6pm Sunday and today around 6pm. We had a MRI done this evening and are suppose to meet with the neurologist and surgeon tomorrow to go over the test results. I am so worried and I can't help but to search the internet for answers. Anyone out there experienced the increased number of migraines like this?

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@bobbiejo13, I wanted to check back in with you. How was the appointment with the neurologist and surgeon? What did you learn? What are the next steps for your daughter?

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Hello. I came across this group as I was searching for information that might help me to understand why my daughter is having the migraine headaches she is having after radiation treatment on her AVM. She was initially diagnosed due to having complicated migraines or migraines with stroke-like symptoms. She would get them maybe 5 times a year. She gets the vision disturbances, numbness/tingling in the hand, arm and face and slurred speech. She will also get dizzy at times. She had her radiation treatment in April and on 6/15 she had one of her migraines with all the symptoms. This past Friday at midnight she had another one, again around midnight on Saturday and around 6pm Sunday and today around 6pm. We had a MRI done this evening and are suppose to meet with the neurologist and surgeon tomorrow to go over the test results. I am so worried and I can't help but to search the internet for answers. Anyone out there experienced the increased number of migraines like this?

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Hi @bobbiejo13 I am sorry your daughter is going through the migraines. Did she have a ruptured AVM? I don’t understand the radiation treatment for an AVM. Was something else discovered? The outcome of deficits depends on the location of the AVM, in other words, what part of the brain the AVM affected. With my ruptured AVM I did get the awful migraines for which I received a prescription for a pain medication but I opted for Tylenol. The headaches came 3 times per week initially but a bag of ice on my head offered better relief. I found myself using ice on my head in order to sleep. I was told the headaches were part of the healing process. I could feel when my brain was making new connections. It occurred more often in the beginning. I too have visual disturbances. I do not get the migraines as often as I used to, maybe once every 10 days, but I wonder if the migraines are due to my diplopia. What kind of visual disturbances is your daughter experiencing? I did not get much information from my neuro ophthalmologist for treatment. Not much information was provided by my medical team of doctors because not much is known since there are not many survivors. Basically, I was left on my own to learn as I go through my experiences. Everyone is different but I will gladly help in any way I can. I strongly urge you to question each physician with what the plan of treatment is and why. After all, they are not the ones experiencing the awful deficits. How can they understand when there is not much information out there?

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Hello. I came across this group as I was searching for information that might help me to understand why my daughter is having the migraine headaches she is having after radiation treatment on her AVM. She was initially diagnosed due to having complicated migraines or migraines with stroke-like symptoms. She would get them maybe 5 times a year. She gets the vision disturbances, numbness/tingling in the hand, arm and face and slurred speech. She will also get dizzy at times. She had her radiation treatment in April and on 6/15 she had one of her migraines with all the symptoms. This past Friday at midnight she had another one, again around midnight on Saturday and around 6pm Sunday and today around 6pm. We had a MRI done this evening and are suppose to meet with the neurologist and surgeon tomorrow to go over the test results. I am so worried and I can't help but to search the internet for answers. Anyone out there experienced the increased number of migraines like this?

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