Anyone with more pain after surgery than before?

Posted by ikcooley @ikcooley, Jan 16 9:33am

I had a laminectomy on lumbar 3, 4, and 5 about 7 weeks ago for severe spinal stenosis. I had no pain before surgery but extreme numbness in both legs when walking. Following surgery at about 4 weeks I began an exercise program walking and found I have a searing pain starting at my right back hip shooting down my leg past my knee. I can only walk about 2 blocks and it becomes unbearable.

I have had numerous medications including a 6 day pack of Prednisone, muscle relaxers, oxycodone and now gabapentin. Non of them are touching the pain.

I’m hoping someone can share their experience and if they had positive resolution to shooting pain after surgery.
Is it too early, and might yet resolve?
Is a second surgery necessary?
Are there other medications that you found helpful?
Any support or suggestion would be appreciated at this point.

Thank you Ivie Cooley

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@ga29

I am six months out from my 2nd fusion, revision of L4-5, remove screws on L4, extend down L5-S1, minimally invasive end of July, 2023.

I was instructed to only do walking, wear my back brace when up and start PT after the third month. I've had a difficult time even then, like others hear have said it's up and down. Some days I feel good and so positive, then maybe I overdo with walking and doing things and the nerve in my left hip is on fire, going down my left leg to my foot.

I'm still having this pain, so I asked for new tests. I just had a new MRI and CT scan w/o IV contrast, with a phone consult with the neurosurgeon a few days later. His focus is on the surgery itself, really. He said it looks great, he sees no other issues, no reason for my continued pain.

And yes, the surgery did help, but more pain down the leg with numbness radiating out through the hip. I think and Hope it just needs more time to heal! I've had this for over 10 years, started in 2011.

Pain meds help, but don't stop it!

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I had an L4-S1 fusion April 2023 the pain got worse but the surgeon said everything’s healed go back to work. Almost a year later I’m using a cane can walk far because of pain. Seen 2 other surgeons agreed everything’s good , all of them says go get a pain stimulator. My urologist sent me to a pelvic therapist (I thought that was for women) after her doing internal therapy a lot of the pain eased I still have some pain in my back and different nerve pain in my legs . I had the surgery because when I bent over I would about fall (L5 was loose) I’m still having some trouble standing up and don’t bend over very well. I had L4 replaced and fused in 2002 then hardware removed in 2003. You might discuss the pelvic therapy with your doctor as another option

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@sbtheplumber1

I had an L4-S1 fusion April 2023 the pain got worse but the surgeon said everything’s healed go back to work. Almost a year later I’m using a cane can walk far because of pain. Seen 2 other surgeons agreed everything’s good , all of them says go get a pain stimulator. My urologist sent me to a pelvic therapist (I thought that was for women) after her doing internal therapy a lot of the pain eased I still have some pain in my back and different nerve pain in my legs . I had the surgery because when I bent over I would about fall (L5 was loose) I’m still having some trouble standing up and don’t bend over very well. I had L4 replaced and fused in 2002 then hardware removed in 2003. You might discuss the pelvic therapy with your doctor as another option

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Hello, thanks for that thought. I will ask about it. I’ve finished my PT and it did help the pain down my hip and leg. One of the therapist interns started doing some pressure massage on the spot where it started in my spine, wow what a help that was. I’ve heard of piraformis massage,is it called? So now I have a kids tennis ball we bought for our grandkids, I back up against the wall and push that spot on my back and hip. Self PT! She suggested it. I am thankful for their help. PT was so difficult at first, I hadn’t exercised in so long. But now I’m keeping it up. My pain isn’t gone, the nerve is still there if I overdo it flares up. But much better!

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The pelvic therapist had me use a foam roller on the door since I couldn’t get on the floor after about 2 times rolling over it on my lower back/tailbone I was aching from the waist down for about 2-1/2 weeks she gave me new exercises to try I’m finally able to start doing them. I was having testicle and anal pain, depended which hip I leaned on as to which leg went numb, setting in church we have a wood floor the vibration of the bass would trigger my nerves in my leg. Riding in the car more than 30 minutes was too painful, and I still don’t go in a store unless they have a scooter available.

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@ikcooley

Update on post surgical radiculopathy. It is now 12 weeks post operation, and 8 weeks of PT and I’m still having pain when walking more than two blocks. I’m on 2400mg of gabapentin and tizanidine three times a day and it is not cutting the pain. I go for an MRI on Monday to determine if they can locate the pinched nerve.

I would not like to continue enduring this pain, so I would consider a second operation if recommended. I’m extremely unhappy with the first surgery. It did cure the numbness in both legs but left me with this pain in the right leg.

Have any of you had leg pain dissipate after 12 weeks? I was told it would continue to improve up to 12 weeks if it was an irritated nerve, but I have seen very little progress. The progress is in my ability to endure the pain.

Any suggestions for remedies other than a second surgery?

Ivie

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Dear @kcooley...There is just nothing simple or 100% predictable when it comes to spinal surgeries. Every patient, every surgeon, and every injured spine is different - so it's reasonable to expect outcomes to be different.

For me, my thigh pain got significantly worse in the months immediately after L2-5 decompression/fusion. My thighs had been progressively more numb for literally decades. Post surgery the numbness became intense pain and a feeling of pressure and "fullness". The neurosurgeon explained that long pinched nerves take a long time to re-awaken and there can be associated pain.

He prescribed gabapentin which I never took as I didn't like the listed possible side effects.

The good news (for me and maybe for you as well) is, nine months post-surgery, the thigh pain is very tolerable and I feel still receding in intensity. Nerves are very slow at self-repair and I know of no way to speed their glacial pace.

Are you maintaining a diary? Nerve pain resolution was so slow for me that the diary was useful to actually track improvements that often were undetectable one day to the next.

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@upstatephil

Dear @kcooley...There is just nothing simple or 100% predictable when it comes to spinal surgeries. Every patient, every surgeon, and every injured spine is different - so it's reasonable to expect outcomes to be different.

For me, my thigh pain got significantly worse in the months immediately after L2-5 decompression/fusion. My thighs had been progressively more numb for literally decades. Post surgery the numbness became intense pain and a feeling of pressure and "fullness". The neurosurgeon explained that long pinched nerves take a long time to re-awaken and there can be associated pain.

He prescribed gabapentin which I never took as I didn't like the listed possible side effects.

The good news (for me and maybe for you as well) is, nine months post-surgery, the thigh pain is very tolerable and I feel still receding in intensity. Nerves are very slow at self-repair and I know of no way to speed their glacial pace.

Are you maintaining a diary? Nerve pain resolution was so slow for me that the diary was useful to actually track improvements that often were undetectable one day to the next.

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No I haven’t done a diary. Never thought about it

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@sbtheplumber1

No I haven’t done a diary. Never thought about it

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A friend who had spinal surgery experience suggested the diary idea to me. I am not normally one to keep a diary. But I found the passage of time was upended during my lengthy recovery and the diary helped me stay grounded as to what I was experiencing and to measure my actual rate of recovery. I enjoyed it and periodically still update and re-read entries.

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@upstatephil

A friend who had spinal surgery experience suggested the diary idea to me. I am not normally one to keep a diary. But I found the passage of time was upended during my lengthy recovery and the diary helped me stay grounded as to what I was experiencing and to measure my actual rate of recovery. I enjoyed it and periodically still update and re-read entries.

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I found the pain diary helpful, and am going to post an update soon just to keep myself focused on my progress. The PT who was coming to my house in those first days suggested it as a way to keep my spirits up. I was so overwhelmed, it felt like I had made a huge error in getting a second fusion.
When I read back over time, I could see how much progress I had made.
When you’re in the thick of it, it’s hard to see that.

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@ga29

I found the pain diary helpful, and am going to post an update soon just to keep myself focused on my progress. The PT who was coming to my house in those first days suggested it as a way to keep my spirits up. I was so overwhelmed, it felt like I had made a huge error in getting a second fusion.
When I read back over time, I could see how much progress I had made.
When you’re in the thick of it, it’s hard to see that.

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@ga29 - You get the diary idea perfectly. I also empathize with your comment about feeling overwhelmed at times. And I also wondered many times if I'd made the right decision to do both cervical and lumbar work in just a three-month period. It was a lot. Hopefully, you're continuing to make some progress! Keep a positive outlook!

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yes had no pain before and all pain after surgery. please go and see your doctor/surgeon for follow-up because this should not be guesswork and you should receive guidance and further treatment as necessary. in my case i was told recovery would be a mere 4 weeks and i did not know the pain that would result - in fact that was misinformation and i am not happy about it - I am now almost 9 mos after surgery and still struggling but one thing i rely on is exercise which is a must - without it i feel even worse.

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Hi
I am scheduled for a laminectomy end of April 2024 on L2-L5.
Would appreciate any advise in preparation and what to expect.
I have had 12 years of stenosis and have started to collapse when out walking- that is why they are doing the surgery.
Should I delay surgery until I can't move???
thanks
timothy

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